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Agents that run while I sleep

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Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by kolinko »

tomtom1337 wrote: post #70
egeozcan wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trick is, with the setup I mentioned, you change the rewards. The concept is: Red Team (Test Writers), write tests without seeing implementation. They define what the code should do based on specs/requirements only. Rewarded by test failures. A new test that passes immediately is suspicious as it means either the implementation already covers it (diminishing returns) or the test is tautological. Red's ideal outco…

This is very interesting, but like sibling comments, I'm very curious as to how you run this in practice. Do you just tell Claude/Copilot to do what you describe? And do you have any prompts to share?

Not Claude/Copilot. Claude.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by NorwegianDude »

jack_pp wrote: post #240
tbossanova wrote: post #231

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Nothing; but PHP, in experienced hands, will be waaay more productive for small-to-medium things. One issue is that experienced hands are increasingly hard to come by. Truly big, complicated things, built by large teams or numbers of teams, teams with a lot of average brains or AIs trained on average brains, will be better off in something like Typescript/React. And everyone wants to work on the big complicated stuff…

I worked at a startup, they built their API in PHP because it was easy and fast. Now they're successful, app doesn't scale, high latency etc. What does their php code do? 95% of it is calling a DB. You're telling me today with LLM power multiplier it's THAT much faster to write in PHP compared to something that can actually have a future?

> I worked at a startup, they built their API in PHP because it was easy and fast. Now they're successful, app doesn't scale, high latency etc. What does their php code do? 95% of it is calling a DB.

So PHP worked perfectly, but the DB is slow? Your DB isn't going any faster by switching to something else, if that's what you think.

PHP is the future, where React has been heading for years.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by tjoff »

jack_pp wrote: post #208
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #207

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I am not laughing about PHP. To this very day many of my best projects are built on PHP. And while last 7 years I have spent in full stack JavaScript/TypeScript environment it has never produced the same things I was actually able to do with PHP. I actually feel that things I built 15 years ago in PHP were better than anything I am trying to achieve with modern things that gets outdated every 6 months.

what in God's Name could you do in PHP that you can't do in a modern framework?

Making instant loading and user respecting sites.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by wreath »

gedy wrote: post #140
wesselbindt wrote: post #133

Does anyone know what this guy is having his agents build? Bc I looked a bit and all I see him ship is linkedin posts about Claude.

Yeah maybe I'm just old but in 25 years in industry - not one company has needed this much code that fast. They may insist they do but then it sits while they figure out how to sell, or the inevitable "oh wait, we didn't think about that..."

Exactly! How do other parts of the organization deal with this avalanche of features in terms of documenting, pricing and packaging, marketing, selling and getting feedback on them. How do users adopt these features and incorporate them in their workflows so fast? Never in my career was the speed of writing code alone the bottleneck.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

Code and Claude Code hooks can conditionally tell the model anything:

#!python

print(“fix needed: method ABC needs a return type annotation on line 45”

import os

os.exit(2)

Claude Code will show that output to the model. This lets you enforce anything from TDD to a ban on window.alert() in code - deterministically.

This can be the basis for much more predictable enforcement of rules and standards in your codebase.

Once you get used to code based guardrails, you’ll see how silly the current state of the art is: why do we pack the context full of instructions, distract the model from its task, then act all surprised when it doesn’t follow them perfectly!

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by gitaarik »

In the end you'll always have to manually validate the output, to ensure that what the test case tests is correct. When you write a test case, that's always what you need to do, to ensure that the test case passes in the right conditions, and you have to test that manually.

Since you have to test that manually anyway, you can have AI write the code first; you test it; if it's the right result, you tell AI this is correct, so write test cases for this result.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by misja111 »

> At some point you're not reviewing diffs at all, just watching deploys and hoping something doesn't break.

Good luck doing that in any company that does something meaningful. I can't believe anybody can seriously be ok with such a workflow, except maybe for your little pet project at home.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by misja111 »

jspdown wrote: post #308

At this stage, AI is no longer a tool that enhances your ability to ship code, it has replaced you entirely in that role. You don't control what is shipped, and you can't verify if it's correct. That's a serious problem! As software engineers, we remain accountable for code we no longer fully understand. Then, what comes next feels less like a new software practice and more like a new religion, where trust has to rep…

Speak for yourself, I don't ship any code that I don't fully understand. Yes that requires less autonomous AI and less frequent merging. But I don't even want to think about the disasters that could happen if you really get into the habit of shipping code you can't verify or understand.
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