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Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by morkalork »

energy123 wrote: post #192
jokoon wrote: post #147

Nothing will change until developed rich countries are starting to hurt. And I don't think it's going to hurt enough in 10 or 20 years. The pain will come slowly, people won't see it. It's like going back to the middle age so slowly, that the population don't realize or feel it. And honestly, wars and trump are making climate concerns so difficult to think about.

The initial pain will be diffuse and not obviously caused by global warming. For example, destabilization of equatorial countries due to wet bulb temperatures, through multiple causal paths: worse education outcomes (many days off school during hot months), worse economy (can't work outside), worse life satisfaction -> more autocracies, more water scarcity. Then you get more emigration to the colder north, more confl…

Wasn't a drought originally part of the cause of Syria's collapse into civil war? Climate change is already causing unrest in equitorial countries, mass migration and a corresponding rise in authoritarianism / right wing populism in Europe.

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Post by ks2048 »

tsoukase wrote: post #164

This ship has sailed, warming is irreversible. Developing nations mainly in Asia (China, India etc) are, well, developing and burn like there is no tomorrow. But they are not to blame. It is their turn to live nicely, like the US and Europe did for decades. Nobody can remove this right from them.

There is not "one ship" to sail or not - it is a matter of degree.

Warming is here and will continue.

Our decisions from here on could vary the outcomes between massive disruption and movement of people to a wholly uninhabitable planet.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by chazburger »

mountainriver wrote: post #306
jokoon wrote: post #147

Nothing will change until developed rich countries are starting to hurt. And I don't think it's going to hurt enough in 10 or 20 years. The pain will come slowly, people won't see it. It's like going back to the middle age so slowly, that the population don't realize or feel it. And honestly, wars and trump are making climate concerns so difficult to think about.

We are already seeing it in Colorado. Record low snowfall, record heat, record winds; which are a very bad set of conditions for fires. The power company is now preemptively shutting off our power. Which is really fun in the winter. I’m honestly not sure about the future of my hometown Boulder. The odds of it fully burning to the ground seem to increase significantly every year.

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Post by vrganj »

santiagobasulto wrote: post #276

What! you're saying that my selective recycling of paper and having the plastic caps attached to the bottles didn't work? SHOCKING (only europeans will understand)

It did work. There's wayyyyyy fewer lose plastic caps littering the streets now.

There's more than one aspect to the environment. Plastic pollution and global warming are two separate concerns with separate ways of dealing with them.

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Post by pinkmuffinere »

sulam wrote: post #295

FWIW my personal assessment is that this acceleration is both real and largely out of our control. Models in the past did not attempt to account for non-anthropogenic carbon emissions, but as we experience further warming, most especially in the Arctic, feedback loops and tipping points mean that this (carbon emissions caused by “natural” processes) are becoming more evident. This is especially sensitive because a la…

No offense, but internet opinions are a dime a dozen -- do you have some special experience / credentials in this area? The arguments you provide are all just the sort of thing that PhD students would study, and incorporate into their models. I'm inclined to believe the experts, but if you _are_ one, and are saying with authority that these effects are missed, that is a much more interesting story.

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Post by nyeah »

noboostforyou wrote: post #202
nyeah wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ResearchGate isn't open access.

How so? I don't have an account but I am able to read the entire paper directly from the OP's link, is there some sort of free limit or something that I have yet to hit? I get some banner ads served on their site but I'm not seeing how it isn't open access.

You may be arguing that ResearchGate allows free access to its articles in general. If so, I believe there's a logical fallacy in your argument. But I've been warned that naming that logical fallacy is a ban-able offense on HN. (Surreal but true.)

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by slibhb »

jokoon wrote: post #147

Nothing will change until developed rich countries are starting to hurt. And I don't think it's going to hurt enough in 10 or 20 years. The pain will come slowly, people won't see it. It's like going back to the middle age so slowly, that the population don't realize or feel it. And honestly, wars and trump are making climate concerns so difficult to think about.

> Nothing will change

Things have already changed!

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by azan_ »

topaz0 wrote: post #178
azan_ wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a great idea to blame AI, which is small addition to the global emissions. I suggest focusing on what's really important, not what's currently trendy.

This is like saying in 1910 "cars are a tiny fraction of our emissions, you should be focusing on the steam train and the woodstove"

No, it's not. The comparison makes zero sense and is fuelled by social-media sentiment, not facts.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

jokoon wrote: post #147

Nothing will change until developed rich countries are starting to hurt. And I don't think it's going to hurt enough in 10 or 20 years. The pain will come slowly, people won't see it. It's like going back to the middle age so slowly, that the population don't realize or feel it. And honestly, wars and trump are making climate concerns so difficult to think about.

Nothing will happen until the super rich who define policy begin to hurt. And they won't hurt because they can exploit the situation to become even richer.
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