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Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by thecopy »

bibstha wrote: post #88
conesus wrote: post #70

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VESA mounts are only a few bucks and give you even better height and tilt adjustment. You also get desk space back. I have a shorter desk (24" vs typical 30" depth) and I have two monitors and a laptop mounted on 3 VESAs and I can extend them so that the monitor edge is inline with the desk edge, giving me the same 24" that a 30" desk would have with a monitor stand.

Which mount do you have? I've got a 24" as well and I've never imagined I'd fit 2 monitors.

I use Ergotron, super happy.

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Post by hollerith »

gucci-on-fleek wrote: post #296
hollerith wrote: post #295

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Do you notice blurriness on MacOS when the Settings app (name?) has been used to change the scaling factor to a fractional value?

Sorry, but I haven't ever used a Mac, so I unfortunately can't answer that. I've used Windows with fractional scaling, and most programs aren't blurry there, but the few that don't support fractional scaling are really blurry.

That's an accurate summary of my experience with Windows, too.

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Post by delta_p_delta_x »

jim180 wrote: post #309
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #228

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> So apple is just selling generic white labelled slop There are only ~5 flat-panel manufacturers worldwide: AU Optronics, Innolux, LG Display, Samsung Display, Sharp Display, and recently BOE Display. Apple has to use one of these, even for its bespoke, notched, curved iPhone/iPad displays. This new 5K 2304-zone panel was developed by LG Display, and is not 'generic white-labelled slop' by any means. It is an extrem…

there is another differences between Apple monitors vs the rest. - standard and peak brightness[1]. All of them are less bright, than Apple's monitors. I'd really wanna know why. MSI - 1400 nits, LG - 1250 nits, Apple - 2000 nits. That's peak brightness, standard brightness isn't even mentioned, except for Apple one. Is it just cooling or something more? [1] https://www.ipsmonitor.com/news/msis-mpg-271kraw16-is-a-fir…

Those are down to backlight technology, which (usually) is independent of the LCD panel itself. With LCDs, though, it's a fine line as extremely bright backlights can lead to bad bloom.

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Post by adrianmsmith »

raydev wrote: post #276
WilcoKruijer wrote: post #32

> Studio Display XDR replaces Pro Display XDR How does a 5k display replace a 6k display? Are they giving up on 6k? Disappointing.

It's impossible for them to support a 10-bit 6k@120Hz monitor with current hardware and keeping the old one around would be embarrassing. The Pro 5k will probably sell better/be more profitable anyway.

> keeping the old one around would be embarrassing

On the other hand this is the company that sells a Mac Pro for $7k and it comes with an M2-based chip...

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Post by craftkiller »

szmarczak wrote: post #307
craftkiller wrote: post #305

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I _have_ watched those videos and they show burn-in after an alarmingly short amount of use. My current IPS monitor has been going strong for the past decade. I expect monitors to last at least that long. Get back to us about your burn-in after 8.6 more years. Adding one more reference, here is a recent post to /r/monitors showing burn-in after 2 years of constant use: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1pf0t…

> I _have_ watched those videos and they show burn-in after an alarmingly short amount of use. Debatable, it's not what those content creators say, and I definitely wouldn't call it alarming if it requires you to stare at gray background in a dark room. It isn't even half as bad as IPS backlight bleeding or VA angles. Different people have different standards. You don't have to buy it if you don't like it. > Adding o…

> it's not what those content creators say

Quoting one of your videos: "After 21 months, seeing these artifacts is certainly annoying". If I spend $3k on a monitor, it should _not_ be annoying after 2 years.

Also "If your primary monitor use case is productivity, you likely have up to 3 years of decent usage under normal conditions before burn-in starts to become a concern". I almost exclusively use my monitor for productivity, and it definitely needs to last more than 3 years.

> Pixel clean cannot run if the monitor is constantly receiving signal.

True, but pixel clean works by burning-in the rest of your (sub)pixels so that they are evenly burned. Therefore what you are seeing in that photo is permanent degradation of those (sub)pixels. The clean will smooth it out so it doesn't look bad, but those pixels will never be as bright again. That portion of their life is spent. It is an unavoidable part of how OLED works.

I agree that emissive displays are the future. But OLED is not the way to get there.

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Post by raydev »

adrianmsmith wrote: post #314
raydev wrote: post #276

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It's impossible for them to support a 10-bit 6k@120Hz monitor with current hardware and keeping the old one around would be embarrassing. The Pro 5k will probably sell better/be more profitable anyway.

> keeping the old one around would be embarrassing On the other hand this is the company that sells a Mac Pro for $7k and it comes with an M2-based chip...

Apple refuses to remove things without clear replacements, for better or more often worse.

The 6k XDR has been replaced, apparently they've got something coming for the Mac Pro. I don't know why it wasn't the Mac Studio update last year. Maybe we find out at WWDC this year.

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Post by agys »

whynotminot wrote: post #219
agys wrote: post #95

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Indeed! The big monitor is about 1m from me, the median a bit below my eyes. The laptop on which I type on sits in-between and the two screens align almost perfectly (optically). This setup works well for me and I feel it’s very ergonomic. That's why I can't go back to tiny (<32") screens anymore.

You could get something smaller but have it closer to your face than 1m? The sort of “visual impact” a screen can have is mostly a combination of what percentage of your FOV it consumes. People think they’ve got a bunch of screen real estate when they buy a big TV to use as a monitor… and then they use it a twice or more the distance of a regular monitor.

It feels very nice on the eyes to have it at a certain distance.

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Post by benbayard »

kinematikk wrote: post #266
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I just tested on my 4k display and 150% and 175% were not blurry at all. I'm on a 32 inch 4k monitor. Is it possible this information is out of date and was fixed by more recent versions of macos?

Absolutely not fixed. Try to look on black text on white background. Its not very obvious but still a little annoying

Interesting, maybe it just doesn't bother me, because I do not notice it at all. I was looking at black text on a white background. Maybe it's less of an impact on Q-OLEDs with their pixel layout perhaps? I just checked and I actually run my ultra-wide monitor at 125% resolution and the text looks crisp. That one is a regular LED display but it does have really high pixel density (5120 x 2160, I run it at 3360x1418)

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Post by szmarczak »

craftkiller wrote: post #315
szmarczak wrote: post #307

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> I _have_ watched those videos and they show burn-in after an alarmingly short amount of use. Debatable, it's not what those content creators say, and I definitely wouldn't call it alarming if it requires you to stare at gray background in a dark room. It isn't even half as bad as IPS backlight bleeding or VA angles. Different people have different standards. You don't have to buy it if you don't like it. > Adding o…

> it's not what those content creators say Quoting one of your videos: "After 21 months, seeing these artifacts is certainly annoying". If I spend $3k on a monitor, it should _not_ be annoying after 2 years. Also "If your primary monitor use case is productivity, you likely have up to 3 years of decent usage under normal conditions before burn-in starts to become a concern". I almost exclusively use my monitor for pr…

> Quoting one of your videos: "After 21 months, seeing these artifacts is certainly annoying". If I spend $3k on a monitor, it should _not_ be annoying after 2 years.

Why are you insisting to spend 3k? I've already said that 1k is enough. Also he said "but generally speaking it hasn't been a noticeable problem in most tasks". In the same productivity scenario, with a gray background, IPS backlight bleeding would've been even worse (unless you win the lottery and there's little to no bleeding). RTings showed this on many monitors (unfortunately they paywalled everything due to AI [1]).

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DshOOs39vA

> It is an unavoidable part of how OLED works.

True.

> OLED is not the way to get there.

I'm not a screen scientist so I'll refrain from making a statement like this. I don't have anything to add. I guess we'll see how it pans out in the future.

Edit: I bought my FO32U2P mostly to reduce eye strain. 4k 240hz with nice colors is also a very neat upgrade.

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Post by ebbi »

lejalv wrote: post #234
thiagoperes wrote: post #4

I got the Kuycon G32P and it’s an incredible alternative. 32in + 6K for less than 2k$ Also works great with other sources like an Xbox I used a Pro Display XDR as my daily driver at work and the difference is minimal

I can attest to the greatness of the Kuycon G32P; <1.5k€ in my case.

I've been holding off as there are no resellers in New Zealand, but I might take the risk of lack of warranty and support and buy it from AliExpress....
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