In US this effort is still dragging its feet.
British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
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Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#312In US this effort is still dragging its feet.
maybe this prods either the congress to allow permanent daylight savings or the western states to just move to standard time. but no, they will drag their feet.
what we need is some kind of critical mass which finally makes them act. Maybe a few more canadian provinces although it appears ontario is harder since they made a pact with Quebec and New York. But we need some more, maybe one major US state to break free and go to standard time.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
I grew up in an area outside the US, and quite a bit more to the north. I still remember how for several weeks each year I had to walk to school in the dark, sometimes having issues with seeing where I was walking. The DST changes abruptly made everything visible again. Around that time we were also getting a permanent snow cover. And the whiteness of the snow significantly improved visibility for the rest of the win…
Am I missing something? DST will make walking to school in the darkness more likely, not less. DST means a later sunrise.
I mean, the change from the DST ("summer") time to the standard ("winter") time.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess. I'm at 46 degrees and civil twilight at Christmas starts at 7am. I get up at 6:30, so yeah, dead of winter, I spend 30 minutes in darkness. But that's better than 1:30. I guess it kinda hinges on this idea of "wasting" daylight. I don't feel like that. I want the sun to wake me up, and have no problem doing whatever I like when it's dark in the evening. Do people generally go on hikes after work? I go out fo…
56 degrees here (Denmark, and grew up in Ireland @ 53 degrees). > I guess it kinda hinges on this idea of "wasting" daylight. I don't feel like that. I want the sun to wake me up The problem is that during the darkest parts of winter, even if I postpone my wake up as long as possible, I'm still getting up in the dark if I want to be able to commute into work on time. There's no sunlight waking me up. > Do people gene…
Also from Denmark, but I would prefer permanent standard time (just like it was prior to 1982); yes, it's still dark in the morning, but at least I won't have to wait months before I start seeing sunlight for my commute. I can only manage the darkness for so long, before the winter depression truly takes hold. Permanent summer time would be devastating to a lot of people here.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#315"Pacific time" is going to be so confusing though. Should have just called it Yukon Standard Time, since that's already a thing, at least informally. Cause that would not be confusing at all...
Yes, it's going to cause a lot of confusion and missed meetings. At the moment everyone says "pacific time", but now that will mean two different things. I think we'll need to say Vancouver time or California time.
Until it happens in California too! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_California_Proposition_7
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#316I'm in BC. The astro-nerd in me would have preferred to see permanent Standard Time instead of a permanent +1 offset. Instinctively, I think morning light is important to our biology for a daily reset and the solar cue of "high noon" is also a real thing. I'm sure I've read that sleep health experts have historically supported a change to permanent Standard Time, not DST. I respect there are economic arguments for pe…
> Instinctively, I think morning light is important to our biology for a daily reset and the solar cue of "high noon" is also a real thing.
You know, you can just set your watch to whatever you feel like?
> I'm sure I've read that sleep health experts have historically supported a change to permanent Standard Time, not DST.
What difference does it make? If people want to get up later or especially earlier, they can, no matter what the 'official' time is.
For an example: Spaniards and Poles are officially in the same timezone, but the Spaniards do everything 'late'. At least when you only look at the clocks; not so much when you look at the sun.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#317Why now? From the Govt of BC press release: "The Interpretation Amendment Act, which is the legal framework that enables the Province to adopt permanent DST, became law in 2019. At the time, government chose not to bring it into force in order to co-ordinate timing with neighbouring U.S. states in the same time zone. Recent actions from the U.S. have shifted how B.C. approaches decisions that merit alignment, includi…
I don't have a source to site, but I'm fairly certain the Canadian government is adopting (and presumably encouraging provinces to adopt) a general policy of explicitly not allowing US preferences to dictate our domestic policy moving forward. Of course, that is indeed in response to recent actions from the U.S. And in that light, this time change was an obvious early move as the only thing preventing it was the trigger based on the US states.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of people hate standard time in winter because the sun sets at 4 or 5, and they want the sun to instead set at 8 or 9 like it does in summer. DST in winter doesn't actually give you the 8 or 9 sunset, it gives you a 5 or 6 sunset (which doesn't get you all that much) combined with moving your sunrise to 8 or 9, which causes its own set of issues most people don't think about. The last time we went to year-round…
No, I hate standard time, because in winter the sun sets at 4 or 5, when it could set at 5 or 6, i.e. daylight when leaving work. I do not care if the sun is up as I shuffle groggily into the building. I don't think I'm alone.
You are not alone according to polling in BC.
I think fundamentally it comes down to energy for me. I have very little energy in the morning so I am not going to harness the pre-work daylight hours to do something outside like taking my dog to the park, biking, or running. For me I don’t actually start feeling energized until maybe 9-10AM.
After work however, I have much more energy to do things outside with the daylight.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly, this isn't really right. Humanity settled on solar time. For somewhat obvious reasons. Alas, I don't see my preferred method of changing the clock by 10 minutes every month taking hold. Basically ever. :D I also don't think this is nearly as important for places that are not further away from the equator. If you are on the equator, you are almost certainly fine with no change throughout the year.
That method wont work, that is a too large change that happens to seldom. What you want is a leap second every hour for five months to switch between standard and daylight savings time and back, with a month of constant time around each solstice. That gives you a smooth transition without perceptible discontinuities.
Seems to me the most obvious answer is to return to sundials, no?
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#320Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the school schedule does already shift and it shifts later, so in the opposite direction. The policy trend is going in the opposite of what you want to achieve with year-long DST, you could instead vote for the status quo and have the same effect.
Do BC schools have a different winter schedule? That's not how it is where I live, at least. It seems like it would be pretty annoying to have to reschedule activities around getting to/from school twice a year.
My local BC school district does not have winter hours, it is the same all year.