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Post by johnnyanmac »

asdff wrote: post #252
mrweasel wrote: post #239

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In line with "the web was a mistake" I think the idea that you can create cross platform software is an equally big mistake. You can do the core functionality of your product as cross platform, to some extend, but once you hit the interaction with the OS and especially the UI libraries of the OS, I think you'd get better software if you just accept that you'll need to write multiple application. We see this on mobile…

I've only done one platform gui work (python) but I'd guess this is stuff that is ripe for transpiling since a lot of gui code is just reusing the same boilerplate everyone is using to get the same ui patters everyone is using. Like if I make something in tkinter seems like it should be pretty straightforward to write a tool that can translate all my function calls as I've structured them into a chunk of Swift that w…

We get into transpiling and we essentially start to rebuild yet another cross platform framework. Starts with "read this filetype and turn it into this layout" and it ends up with "we'll make sure this can deploy on X,Y,Z,W..."

It'd be nice if companies could just play nice and agree on a standard interface. That's the one good thing the web managed to do. It's just stuck to what's ultimately 3 decades of tech debt from a prototype document reader made in a few weeks.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

qsera wrote: post #282
okanat wrote: post #277

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Cross platform GUI libraries suck. Ever used a GTK app under Windows? It looks terrible, renders terrible, doesn't support HiDPI. Qt Widgets still have weird bugs when you connect or disconnect displays it rerenders UIs twice the size. None of those kinds of bugs exist for apps written in Microsoft's UI frameworks and browsers. The problem with cross platform UI is that it is antithetical to the purpose of an OS-nati…

> Ever used a GTK app under Windows? I have created and used them. They didn't look terrible on windows. >What a browser asks from an OS is a rectangle (a graphics buffer) and the fonts to draw a webpage. Nothing else. Entire drawing functionality and the behavior is redefined from scratch. This is the advantage of Web.. I think that is exactly what Gtk does (and may be even Qt also) too.. I think it is just there th…

There's loads of funding. But the ones funding Qt and GTK aren't parties interested in things like cohesion or design standards. They just needed a way to deliver their product to the user in a faster way than maintaining 2-3 OS platform apps. Wanting that shipping velocity by its nature sacrifices the above elements.

The remnants of the dotcom era for web definitely helped shape it in a more design contentious way, in comparison. Those standards are created and pushed a few layers above that in which cross platform UI's work in.

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Post by ssl-3 »

alpaca128 wrote: post #308
ssl-3 wrote: post #303

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On PC, it looks like I'm using this, from the end of January: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases/tag/1.69.0 And also this, from a couple of weeks ago: https://www.firefox.com/en-US/firefox/147.0.4/releasenotes/ (with Linux, but that probably doesn't matter at all) And that's about it. I recently pruned some other Firefox extensions while troubleshooting ompletely unrelated issues, and all that's left is uBloc…

Huh, I think I figured it out. It now works again after removing the extension "Return YouTube Dislikes" which I had just kept around because why not. Turns out if both this and uBlock are active, YouTube will refuse to work. But only uBlock works just fine.

Nice!

Welcome back to the club.

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Post by martinpw »

teeray wrote: post #165
al_borland wrote: post #140

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From everything I’ve seen, LLMs aren’t exactly known for writing extremely optimized code. Also, what happens to the stability and security of my phone after they let an LLM loose on the entire code base for a weekend? There are 1.5 billion iPhones out there. It’s not a place to play fast and loose with bleeding edge tech known for hallucinations and poor architecture.

> LLMs aren’t exactly known for writing extremely optimized code. They are trained on everything, and as a result write code like the Internet average developer.

Is that really how it works - everything is just weighted equally? I would hope there would be at least some kind of tuning, so gets more weight than ? If not, that seems like an opportunity. But no idea how these things are actually configured.

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Post by esperent »

b112 wrote: post #229
esperent wrote: post #201

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Shizuku not shuzuka https://github.com/RikkaApps/Shizuku And canto not canta (search the play store). My apologies, I got both last letters wrong!

Not sure what the point of this all is. Seems far easier to just use ADB. Especially rather than trusting a codebase you don't know, and an app you don't know. I also find it better to use ADB, list all apps installed, remove what I personally choose, instead of a list by others. It's fairly easy: adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 com.google.android.youtube # Youtube adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 com.google.android.p…

It can block things that adb can't.

And you can set it up without a laptop (although it's easier to so the initial setup with a laptop) and once setup, you have an app that can enable/disable things.

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Post by coatmatter »

meerita wrote: post #22

If the memory shortage is real and sustained, I wonder whether we’ll see a secondary effect in the resale market.

One of my trend-following and easily-influenced sisters was quite locked into the Apple ecosystem (iPhones, MacBooks) with her young family, but just over Christmas last year, I spotted them with a refurbished ThinkPad (T490 or thereabouts), with a plan to buy another refurbished ThinkPad.

I /hope/ to see the slowdown in the new phones market affecting the pumped-up chatbot market. To reference Agent Smith, what good is a chatbot if you can't speak?

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Post by _aavaa_ »

m-schuetz wrote: post #259
asdff wrote: post #244

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Are they not? Gui libraries are like button(function=myFunction). This isn't rocket surgery stuff here at least the gui tooling I've used.

Pretty much any non-web GUI framework I tried so far has either been terrible to set up, or terrible to deploy. Or both. Electron is stupidly simple. ImGUI is the single exception that has been simple to set up, trivial to deploy (there is nothing to deploy, including it is all that's needed), and nice to use.

Except ImGUI’s missing what I consider essential features for macOS: proper multitouch support (two finger panning, pinch to zoom).

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Post by dawnerd »

gib444 wrote: post #232
dawnerd wrote: post #166

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It’s not just mobile safari, safari on desktop does the same thing even with lots of memory available. Whatever they’re doing to limit a tabs resources needs to go, it’s so frustrating.

I wonder if that's "App Nap"? Because there is a toggle in the Debug menu under Miscellanous Flags -> Disable App Nap on Safari Desktop Enable debug with: $ defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeInternalDebugMenu -bool YES

Believe I tried that a while back and it didn’t help. Safari will reload a page as you’re using it, including filling out forms which of course it won’t save what you entered.

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Post by turnoffimagesss »

intrasight wrote: post #176
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #8

Somehow, with 12GB of RAM, I can't get my iPhone 17 Pro to keep more than a few safari tabs open without having them refresh when I come back from an app or two, and it makes me want to throw my phone across the train (Where the internet often cuts out!). A lot of software has been squandering the massive hardware gains that have been made. I hope this changes when it becomes a lot harder to throw hardware at the pro…

It's really nuts how much RAM and CPU have been squandered. In, 1990, I worked on a networked graphical browser for nuclear plants. Sun workstations had 32 mb memory. We had a requirement that the infographic screens paint in less that 2 seconds. Was a challenge but doable. Crazy thing is that computers have 1000x the memory and like 10,000x the CPU and it would still be a challenge to paints screens in 2 seconds.

I turn off images and it is way faster. If you couple that with local DNS overwrites, it is even faster. The tech is there on desktop at least.

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Post by lawn »

Animats wrote: post #5

The DRAM shortage and lack of fab capacity have also caused the Playstation 6 to slip to 2029 or so.[1] Game consoles are vulnerable. They need a lot of RAM and have to sell at a moderate price. The IDC article says that DRAM prices are not expected to come down again. "While memory prices are projected to stabilize by mid-2027, they are unlikely to return to previous level — making the sub-$100 segment (171 million…

And of course, the Steam Machine also has a very uncertain future.
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