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US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by zppln »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #310
Tyrubias wrote: post #12

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegem…

I can’t imagine such a thing either, but here in Europe plenty of organisations continue planning on increasing their reliance and lock-in on American tech corps.

Which is perfectly fine (albeit perhaps stupid, I agree) for private enterprise. It's the public ones that need to shift first and foremost.

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Post by rurp »

bad_haircut72 wrote: post #199

The shame of all this is that now every country will have a worse, more expensive - but yes, soveriegn - solution, and the US makes less money through trade. Everyone loses, except people who want to hurt western economies.

I think it's more likely we end up with a better software ecosystem. There will be plenty of companies for the foreseeable future willing to buy from either continent if one offering is substantially better. More competition will be better, as long as the US govt doesn't succeed in stifling it.

Microsoft for example has had a de facto monopoly in many areas for quite some time and I doubt many would argue that their software quality has flourished in recent years.

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Post by blitzar »

gtowey wrote: post #148
Tyrubias wrote: post #12

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegem…

Such a missed opportunity. We could have been to data privacy and protection what Switzerland is to Banking. But no, our cooperate oligarch overlords just can't keep their hands out of the piggy bank.

The swiss have a long tradition of discretion.

America has a long tradition of selling anything to the highest bidder. There was never any chance they were going to change.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

Tyrubias wrote: post #12

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegem…

I mean the other options are China and Europe but honestly it's probably way safer as a EU/European citizen to have your data in the USA vs Europe.

The last thing I want is Europe in control of any of my data they just fundamentally don't think privacy from the government should exist. Pair that with the frankly appalling lack of free speech I wouldn't want to risk it.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

microtonal wrote: post #143
rustyhancock wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we have our own issues outside of the US. They reality is the average person is between a rock and a hard place.

Major US tech businesses are making money with analytics/ads though, so they would never roll out end-to-end encryption in a serious way. At least outside the US, a lot of E2E-encrypted services are popping up (Proton, Zeitkapsl, etc.). I don't trust the small number of E2E US services at all. E.g., some of the companies that were/are in PRISM seem to have very convenient 'accidental' backdoors. E.g. WhatsApp doing b…

I mean Europe just fundamentally doesn't think privacy should apply to the government.

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Post by Barrin92 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #54
orwin wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US 'diplomats' are campaigns big donors, or primary supports. I've eaten with someone who expected to be named diplomat in Europe because he supported Obama by 2007, but was one-uped by a richer donor post-primary.

> US 'diplomats' are campaigns big donors, or primary supports To be clear, there are political and career diplomats, and each administration mixes and matches to its taste. (The current one veers strongly towards political appointees. That is to say, folks who raised money.) This is how most foreign services are run, with maybe the exception of China.

>This is how most foreign services are run

It is not. The vast majority of the world has a professionalized diplomatic corps roughly modeled on a Prussian or French system. As Fukuyama points out in Political Order and Political Decay the US is an odd case because it democratized before it developed an administrative state and as a result is somewhere between "Greece and Prussia" and ended up with a spoils-based and clientelist system, somewhat moderated by the Progressive era.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

soco wrote: post #158
kyboren wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3wkzgpjxvo https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-court-jails-man-racist-tweets-s... https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-... https://reclaimthenet.org/germany-online-speech-raids-politi... I'm sure you can find more; those were just the lowest hanging fruit in 2 minutes of searching.

So you folks think just because it's internet we should be able to insult and call for racial action? Maybe you think in real life that should be acceptable too?

It's 100% acceptable in real life that the whole concept of free speech. Seriously you can say shit like that all day every day in the USA and the cops probably won't even bother you.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

soco wrote: post #155
johnsimer wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany – Robert Habeck insult raids (2024–2025): Multiple citizens faced police raids, investigations, fines, or suspended sentences (jail risk if violated) for online posts calling Green politician Robert Habeck derogatory names like "idiot" or "moron," or sharing mocking memes, under Section 188 enhancing penalties for insulting politicians. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-... Germany –…

And here we are again, spreading lies right? Robert Habeck was NOT arrested, he and his friends were investigated in the broader case of neo-nazi propaganda which they were spreading as well. Unless you consider neo-nazi freedom of speech, of course. The Pinocchio case meant exactly one official letter sent to that guy, lol "arrests". The investigation was dropped and everybody criticized the investigation. Ricarda L…

> Unless you consider neo-nazi freedom of speech

I mean that's why it's called free speech. Probably the most famous case the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) fought for was to make sure Nazi's could hold a rally and march through Skokie, Illinois, USA an area famous for being predominantly Jewish.

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