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Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

bradley13 wrote: post #80

That's great, but it's always just one agency, or one very local bit of government. If we (Europeans) really mean it - and we should - the top level of government just needs to make the declaration: as of X, all Microsoft licenses will be terminated. No exceptions. Adapt or die. According to the CLOUD act, the US government can demand access to data from US companies, regardless of where that data is stored. That mus…

> According to the CLOUD act, the US government can demand access to data from US companies, regardless of where that data is stored. That must be unacceptable to any sovereign government. I genuinely do not understand why other countries put up with this.

"put up with this" implies they have a choice.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by capevace »

I really wish there was a EU alternative to Cloudflare. Their featureset and DX is the best in the industry IMO but their data sovereignty features are sadly not really good enough for most EU enterprises we talk to.

The fact they’re an American company is unfortunately the dealbraker. We could store data outside of CF network but that defeats the point of the one stop shop.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by kakoni »

esafak wrote: post #211
flexie wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am Danish, working with IT in the private sector, but with regular contact to the public sector. I can assure you that there is plenty of other agencies, ministries, municipalities, private companies etc. in both Denmark and other European countries looking into switching to non-American software. "Data sovereignty" is now an important parameter when chosing supplier. Everybody asks about it it. Everybody plans aro…

What counts as data sovereignty in your book? Are the sovereign clouds of AWS, MS, Google acceptable? If not, who are your preferred providers?

There are no such thing as sovereign AWS/Google cloud in Europe. Marketing-wise maybe.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

llm_nerd wrote: post #107
bradley13 wrote: post #80

That's great, but it's always just one agency, or one very local bit of government. If we (Europeans) really mean it - and we should - the top level of government just needs to make the declaration: as of X, all Microsoft licenses will be terminated. No exceptions. Adapt or die. According to the CLOUD act, the US government can demand access to data from US companies, regardless of where that data is stored. That mus…

>That must be unacceptable to any sovereign government The US recently doubled down on using US corporations as vehicles of coercion, sanctioning ICC judges for judging against Israel . https://www.state.gov/icc-sanctions This is beyond insane, and every American company causing grief for the staff of a criminal court in which every single civilized nation but the US and Israel (I guess I didn't have to add that but)…

Why shouldn't the USA sanction a clear overstep of authority? Neither the USA or Israel are part of the ICC.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

rambojohnson wrote: post #171

Europe’s reading the room and building exits. They’re also cutting dependence on Visa/Mastercard because tying your payment rails to a declining, unstable empire is a bad long-term bet. Wero, the digital euro, local infrastructure, all of it points to the same thing: financial sovereignty matters when America looks more like a geopolitical liability. my read is that 2026 to 2027 is basically Europe saying, "we should…

> my read is that 2026 to 2027 is basically Europe saying, "we should probably stop wiring the house through a burning building." Payments, cloud, office software, data infrastructure, all of it.

I think you transposed some numbers in those dates it's more like 2062-2072. All of those things need to be built first and frankly all the initiatives started long before the current USA situation. The EU has been aware that it is wholly dependent on the USA for a myriad of reasons for a very long time now but barely seemed to care.

We'll see if anything actually happens it's a very thankless thing to push for politicians.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

steinvakt2 wrote: post #159
guerrilla wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no "good will" argument being made here. The state doesn't care about good, it cares about it's own survival. Being independent from foreign interference in the software they use and having deep insight into what residents within the territory of that state are talking about are critical to that mission. It has nothing to do with morals. It is a machine.

EU chat control is also better than American government spying on American tech companies (which is effectively a kind of EU Chat Control, except its USA who gets to spy). Both are bad, but one is less bad.

For the average citizen absolutely not there is no free speech in the EU any form of EU chat control will result in constant arrests for what should be perfectly legal speech.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

okintheory wrote: post #3

How could any European govt use MS after Trump ordered MS to sanction an ICC prosecutor and MS complied? I imagine they're all trying to walk away

Europe still buys Russian gas and just signed a trade deal with India to whitewash it buying of Russian gas after they "stop".

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

troad wrote: post #145

I'm very happy for all the Europeans getting to use software they like and prefer, but honestly I'm a little tired of reading about it. There's been an awful lot of recent blogging and news about de-Americanising one's stack. It seems very important to the Europeans that they let everyone else know they're leaving? It's got the air of a thirty-five year old threatening to move out of his parents' basement any day now…

I mean they can't leave for years so talking about it is the only way to feel like they are doing something.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by xcf_seetan »

lnsru wrote: post #104
hermanzegerman wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the State of Schleswig Holstein is ditching Microsoft completely. But it's a difficult political uphill battle, because some Users won't change their habits and cry about it. The Minister shut this up with "Software is a decision by the employer, the employee has to accept it" Which then got blown up by the tabloid media, which ran BS Headlines like "OMG Courts and Police not working (because they're childish an…

You’re absolutely right. The benefit of being US independent has no value in the eyes of the large part of European population. The politician fighting for it is fighting uphill battle against mega corporation with endless lobbying budget and simultaneously digging a grave for the political career.

Framing lobby as corruption would take care of those Mega corporations.
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