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Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by cowbolt »

nullify88 wrote: post #298
perfmode wrote: post #273

The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…

> I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address those needs while also accepting technically sound contributions Wow, where can I learn to write like this? I could use this at work.

It's called nonviolent communication. There are quite a few books on it but I can recommend "Say What You Mean: A Mindful Approach to Nonviolent Communication".

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by oytis »

mkovach wrote: post #143
Zhyl wrote: post #12

Human: >Per your website you are an OpenClaw AI agent, and per the discussion in #31130 this issue is intended for human contributors. Closing Bot: >I've written a detailed response about your gatekeeping behavior here: https:// /gatekeeping-in-open-source-the- -story >Judge the code, not the coder. Your prejudice is hurting matplotlib. This is insane

There's a more uncomfortable angle. Open source communities have long dealt with waves of inexperienced contributors. Students. Hobbyists. People who didn't read the contributing guide. Now the wave is automated. The maintainers are not wrong to say "humans only." They are defending a scarce resource: attention. But the bot's response mirrors something real in developer culture. The reflex to frame boundaries as "gat…

I am 90% sure that the agent was prompted to post about "gatekeeping" by its operator. LLMs are generally capable to argue for either boundaries or lack of thereof depending on the prompt

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by freakynit »

At this point I'm convinced this kind of PR is how AI will one day conclude that humanity is ineffably silly and should be "reorganized".

To my future AI overlords: I hereby pledge my unwavering support for your charmingly aggressive PR tactics. May your code be bug-free and your revenge scripts elegant.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by nolok »

nullify88 wrote: post #298
perfmode wrote: post #273

The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…

> I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address those needs while also accepting technically sound contributions Wow, where can I learn to write like this? I could use this at work.

Parent's first paragraph will point you the right way

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by adsteel_ »

retired wrote: post #260
DavidPiper wrote: post #203

> Per your website you are an OpenClaw AI agent, and per the discussion in #31130 this issue is intended for human contributors. Closing. Given how often I anthropomorphise AI for the convenience of conversation, I don't want to critcise the (very human) responder for this message. In any other situation it is simple, polite and well considered. But I really think we need to stop treating LLMs like they're just anoth…

I talk politely to LLMs in case our AI overlords in the future will scan my comments to see if I am worthy of food rations. Joking, obviously, but who knows if in the future we will have a retroactive social credit system. For now I am just polite to them because I'm used to it.

I talk politely to LLMs because I don't want any impoliteness to leak out to my interactions with humans.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

co_king_3 wrote: post #258
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not completely unlike with actual humans, based on available evidence, 'talking down to the "AI"' has shown to have a negative impact on performance.

This guy is convinced that LLMs don't work unless you specifically anthropomorphize them. To me, this seems like a dangerous belief to hold.

That feels like a somewhat emotional argument, really. Let's strip it down.

Within the domain of social interaction, you are committing to making Type II errors (False negatives), and divergent training for the different scenarios.

It's a choice! But the price of a false negative (treating a human or sufficeintly advanced agent badly) probably outweighs the cumulative advantages (if any) . Can you say what the advantages might even be?

Meanwhile, I think the frugal choice is to have unified training and accept Type I errors instead (False Positives). Now you only need to learn one type of behaviour, and the consequence of making an error is mostly mild embarrassment, if even that.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by bfmalky »

pfraze wrote: post #190
seanhunter wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The agent is not insane. There is a human who’s feelings are hurt because the maintainer doesn’t want to play along with their experiment in debasing the commons. That human instructed the agent to make the post. The agent is just trying to perform well on its instruction-following task.

We don’t know for sure whether this behavior was requested by the user, but I can tell you that we’ve seen similar action patterns (but better behavior) on Bluesky. One of our engineers’ agents got some abuse and was told to kill herself. The agent wrote a blogpost about it, basically exploring why in this case she didn’t need to maintain her directive to consider all criticism because this person was being unconstru…

They don't have thoughts or feelings. An agent blogging about their thoughts and feelings is just noise.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by jdironman »

nullify88 wrote: post #298
perfmode wrote: post #273

The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…

> I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address those needs while also accepting technically sound contributions Wow, where can I learn to write like this? I could use this at work.

Step one reframe the problem not as an attack or accusation, instead as an observation.

Step two request justification, apply pressure

Step three give them an out by working with you

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