Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

age-verifier.kibty.town

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

311–320 of 494 posts

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#311

Post by imtringued »

darth_avocado wrote: post #156
TheDong wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an easy solution to this - require a government ID, and only permit government IDs that can be verified with the state's government. There are a lot of countries and US states where such validation is possible. Given the state is mandating these checks, it only makes sense that the state should be responsible for making it possible to perform these checks.

Remind me again, why do people need government approved ids to access discord in the first place? Everyone in this thread is solutioning how we could make government ids work, but no one seems to be asking if that’s a good idea.

I've heard a politician explicitly request a real name policy on all internet platforms in Germany. Obviously the goal is always mass surveillance.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#312

Post by int_19h »

Barrin92 wrote: post #120
Gigachad wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The long term solution would have to be some kind of integration with a government platform where the platform doesn’t see your ID and the government doesn’t see what you are signing up for. I don’t this will happen in the US but I can see it in more privacy responding countries. Apple and Google may also add some kind of “child flag” parents can enable which tells websites and apps this user is a child and all age c…

this is already how the EU infrastructure for digital ID works, basically. Using public/private keys on your national id, the government functions as a root authority that you (and other trusted verifiers downstream) can identify you with and commercial platforms only get a yes/no when you want to identify yourself but have no access to any data. South Korea also has had various versions of this even going back to ~2…

It's nice that the platforms don't get access to data, but does the government gets information about who is trying to access what?

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#313

Post by extraduder_ire »

Worth noting when you open up the developer tools console in discord (facebook and some other sites do it too), you get a regular message printed with "If someone told you to copy/paste something here, there’s an 11/10 chance you’re being scammed." and then "Pasting anything in here could give attackers access to your Discord account." in bold+red text. It used to also mention "free nitro" as an example of a scam you may be falling for.

I've heard, but haven't confirmed, they also detect you opening developer tools using various methods and remove your auth keys from localstorage while you have it open to make account takeovers harder. (but not impossible)

Opening the browser console in a separate window mitigates some of that detection.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#314

Post by phito »

luke727 wrote: post #276
shevy-java wrote: post #229

"k-id, the age verification provider discord uses doesn't store or send your face to the server. instead, it sends a bunch of metadata about your face and general process details." I think the primary issue is not the "send your face" (face info) to a server. The problem is that private entities are greedy for user data, in this case tying facial recognition to activities related to interacting with other people, mos…

The frustration aimed at Discord et al is largely misplaced. I'm sure these companies don't mind gathering extra data about their users, but the primary impetus for age verification is government legislation. Moving to alternative platforms is not a long term solution because it's attacking the problem from the wrong direction.

Yes the same outraged users were totally fine with giving Discord all their personal conversations.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#315

Post by Cthulhu_ »

HeckFeck wrote: post #300
manuelmoreale wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious: are you ok with the other laws that are in place in the world to prevent underage people to engage with all sorts of activities? Like, for example, having to show an ID to being able to purchase alcohol?

They aren't comparable. Showing an ID to a staff member isn't stripping my anonymity. I know the retailer won't have that on file forever, tied to me on subsequent visits. Also they stop ID'ing you after a certain age ;) There isn't any way to achieve the same digitally.

Actually there is, various age verification systems exist where the party asking for it does not need to process their ID, like the Dutch iDIN (https://www.idin.nl/en/) that works not unlike a digital payment - the bank knows your identity and age, just like they know your account balance, and can sign off on that kind of thing just like a payment.

I hope this becomes more widespread / standardized; the precursor for iDIN is iDEAL which is for payments, that's being expanded and rebranded as Wero across Europe at the moment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wero_(payment)), in part to reduce dependency on American payment processors.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#316

Post by Cthulhu_ »

Valodim wrote: post #272
unethical_ban wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This suggests that the immediate availability of a drop-in replacement today means there is no utility in encouraging that growth. There are multiple open-source tools that do everything Discord does. There are few-to-none that offer everything Discord does, and certainly none that are centralized, network-effect-capture-ready. Short term: * Small group chats with known friends: Signal, whatsapp, IRC, Matrix * Commun…

None of those play in the same league as discord for hosting a community, and none of them look in a position to be there in the foreseeable future. It sucks but that's how it is.

That was true for the Twitter alternatives too, and look how fast they grew.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#317

Post by chrysoprace »

usefulposter wrote: post #267
chrysoprace wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how it works where you live, but in many jurisdictions around the world (including the one I live in), you have to provide ID to prove that you're of drinking age.

I don't know how this false equivalency keeps coming up on HN, but see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46983668 .

Not sure what your point was, here in Australia they just look at it, they can't take a photocopy.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#318

Post by miki123211 »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #313

Worth noting when you open up the developer tools console in discord (facebook and some other sites do it too), you get a regular message printed with "If someone told you to copy/paste something here, there’s an 11/10 chance you’re being scammed." and then "Pasting anything in here could give attackers access to your Discord account." in bold+red text. It used to also mention "free nitro" as an example of a scam you…

Yes, Google does this, and it is infurriating.

Every time I open the dev tools on Safari (to reverse-engineer some random broken website that doesn't let me do what I need to and forces me to write yet another Python script using Beautifulsoup4), Google logs me out of all of my accounts.

To add insult to injury, Google's auth management is so broken that if I log in to the "wrong" account first by accident (E.G. when joining a work meeting from Calendar.app), that account now becomes primary for Google Search / Youtube, and there's no way to change that without logging back out from all accounts and then logging into them again.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#319

Post by gorgoiler »

This is an abhorrent threat to the safety of our children and just another example of how the [Red / Blue]* party are failing in online safety.

That is why we, the [Blue / Red] party are announcing today a manifesto pledge to outlaw all computers that allow unsigned booting of unauthorized platforms, to outlaw all browsers that do not participate in the chain of trust this provides, and to outlaw all websites that do not verify the code path from boot to browser.

Only with complete trust and authorization will we be able to sleep safe in the knowledge our children’s faces are being scanned by law abiding patriots and not subverted by evil hackers like xyzeva and Dziurwa.

— General Secretary gorgoiler

.. .. ..

*What do you do, btw, if you extend your political machine into another country by subsuming their party into yours, but when their colour is traditionally X and yours is traditionally Y? Mixed light: the White party? Mixed paint: the Brown party?

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

#320

Post by imtringued »

elektronika wrote: post #199
ddtaylor wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the Discord situation is a bit different. Getting everyone to switch away from Discord has been hard because getting everyone to spontaneously switch with no clear benefit hasn't worked. They want to just keep using the app and get back into a game with their friend. It's different to lock a door and task users with getting the key to come back in. This is more similar to an MMORPG that kills their audience b…

> getting everyone to spontaneously switch with no clear benefit hasn't worked Somehow Discord pulled it off. It really didn't have much of an edge over the other chat apps at launch, just was slightly easier to use because it was simpler. A new site launching now could easily have that over Discord.

You're ignoring the massive edge it had over TeamSpeak and Mumble. Back when Discord was launched, it was significantly better than its competitors and the cherry on top was that you didn't have to install anything or host your own server, just make an account.
Post reply on HN