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Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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Closure rescinded https://x.com/FAANews/status/2021583720465969421

The explanation given is that cartel air drones entered US airspace. I guess my question is, doesn't this happen all the time? I would think drones would be an easy way to fly a Kilo over the border to whatever dropspot you wanted. I wonder what the new wrinkle is?

agricultural drones used for spraying can lift up to 60-80kg payloads.

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If there were some mundane reason for the shutdown (e.g. ATC staffing, or volcanic ash) it wouldn't be a secret, and if there were an emergency (one severe enough to ground all aircraft for so song) we would've heard or seen something. Occam's Razor says, this order came down from Trump. If that's the case, only question remaining would be what is he planning.

Well, if the only comparable antecedent is closing American airspace after 9/11, and that order came down from Bush, it seems reasonable to suppose that this order came down from Trump.

As for why? No clue.

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NYT reports they're claiming it was about testing anti-drone tech at Fort Bliss. > The brief shutdown was related to a test of new counter-drone technology by the military at nearby Fort Bliss Army base, according to a person briefed on the matter.

I'm not a huge fan of conspiracy theories, but starting a 240 hours closure, ending it after 4, and claiming it was a test? What sort of testing are they doing that they were off by two orders of magnitude about the duration?

Someone probably briefly thought they brought Skynet online via AI powered drones.

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What? I had to take Geography.

They taught us that Geography is old fashioned so the geography classes and history were all replaced with "Social Studies" at some time in the 80s. Most of that class was just about reading holocaust books, I think we had a week or two where they taught us what islands and fjords are, but the only time putting names to countries and capitals on a map came up was an optional extra credit quiz in 8th grade. Most peopl…

We had to take Geography, Social Studies, World History, American History, Civics, etc. as separate classes.

Islands/fjords etc were covered in Geology/Earth Science, and we also took separate courses for those as well.

Geography was reserved for understanding where things are in the Earth, how borders are defined, a little bit of world history as far as borders changing, etc. And also Apartheid for some reason because I guess they didn't know where else to stick that lesson in.

Rote memorization has never been my strong suit and so I suffered a lot in geography as it was taught to me. I got a D in that class. Now that I'm out of school and can actually properly learn, it all sticks a lot better because I've learned to contextualize everything and link together facts.

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Dropping nuclear bombs on Japan was in an entirely different context which has no relevance here. We're not in the middle of a global war (nor is anyone even at war with Mexico), nor in a nuclear arms race asserting nuclear capabilities for the first time in history. You're forgetting all the times the US failed too, and those cases weren't even on its own border. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam... the list is very long.…

> You're forgetting all the times the US failed too, and those cases weren't even on its own border. Doesn't the US have more resources at home, not less? Wouldn't a strike on US soil be a larger escalation and dictate a swift and larger response?

This is real life. They don't to cause a problem they can't solve.

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>People drive too much That doesn't seem like a good argument for instituting a quarantine by blocking air travel but not ground travel. And why block everything including police, cargo and medivac flights for a quarantine?

It is why they won't block ground travel even though they might want to.

Then there's no real infection risk if they'll continue to let people drive out of the area, including let people drive a 4 or 5 hours to another airport to make their trip.

Closing the El Paso airspace will reduce the number of people flying, but not stop it, lots of people will make the drive to Tucson or Albuquerque to catch a flight.

I could maybe see it if it was, say, LAX which is a major travel hub, but shutting down a small regional airport without also shutting down ground travel is "quarantine theater" rather than a real quarantine.

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Coming from groups that just pickup busses of people to murder, I wouldn’t be so sure that firing back at the US would be out of the question.

This is different. See, Drug cartels over here operate with the blessing and favor of our president. They are tightly connected. If a cartel dared to ground a US flight. The US government would have a "free pass" to break all hell loose in Mexico, and Sheinbaum wouldn't have a way to stop it. She doesn't want that in any way, so the message to the cartel bosses would be to be very careful in that respect. Sure, there…

Yeah, if a cartel actually used anti-aircraft weapons on a US passenger plane in US airspace? It wouldn't even matter if MAGA or the Democrats were in charge. The US would collectively lose its shit and spend the next 10 years and several trillion dollars retaliating against the cartels. The media would be ecstatic, because it would give them a decade of story arcs, starting with "our brave troops in uniform" all the way through to covering the eventual quagmire and anti-war protests. By year 6-8, editorial columnists would be writing columns reconsidering their initial support for the war.

Please, let's not do this.

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> Airline sources told Reuters the grounding of flights was believed to be tied to the Pentagon's use of counterdrone technology to address Mexican drug cartels' use of drones of the U.S.-Mexico border. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-halts-all-flights-texass...

>. "The FAA and DOW acted swiftly to address a cartel drone incursion. The threat has been neutralized, and there is no danger to commercial travel in the region. The restrictions have been lifted and normal flights are resuming." https://x.com/SecDuffy

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Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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Closure rescinded https://x.com/FAANews/status/2021583720465969421

The explanation given is that cartel air drones entered US airspace. I guess my question is, doesn't this happen all the time? I would think drones would be an easy way to fly a Kilo over the border to whatever dropspot you wanted. I wonder what the new wrinkle is?

The smuggling is nothing new. Sounds like they're testing laser-based countermeasures against them now.

[0] https://x.com/petemuntean/status/2021586247827828812

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Well surely they wouldn't block flights for ten days because of ad blockers?

Ads are pretty risky, it could happen

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