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Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by ethbr1 »

bobchadwick wrote: post #309
vgeek wrote: post #302

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An easily visible one is air intakes. Many manufacturers have shifted to plastic. Peteo-engineering has advanced a lot, but they will still get brittle and break. Interior wise, you can look at things like fabric durability-- lower deniers can be cheaper, but will wear sooner. Springs/foam in seats are another example, but this will vary across manufacturers, models and trims. This isn't exclusive to financial engine…

OK, I went looking for sources and found this[1]: In the United States, the Environmental Protection Agency assumes the typical car is driven 15,000 miles (24,000 km) per year. According to the New York Times, in the 1960s and 1970s, the typical car reached its end of life around 100,000 miles (160,000 km). Due in part to manufacturing improvements, such as tighter tolerances and better anti-corrosion coatings, in 20…

I think you're talking about apples and oranges, as parent appeared to be cataloguing recent design defects. Which are pretty common too.

That'll influence the average reliability minimally, unless you were unlucky enough to buy one of those models.

Personally, why I'd rather get something at 120k mileage w/ 250k+ max examples on the road by that calendar date. You'll know whether they designed a lemon.

Add: undersized Tacoma rear leaf springs, multiple manufacturers' head gaskets, a few early aluminum engines (? from memory)

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by riku_iki »

jader201 wrote: post #127
baumy wrote: post #100

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This is completely false. I own one. It goes up to the low 80s mph before the gas engine kicks in. Acceleration from a stop is sub 6 second 0-60. Hardly weak. Charges from fully empty to full in about 2.5 hours. Mine gets a 40-45 mile all electric range. I drive 10-12k miles per year, and ignoring extended multi-day vacation road trips once every couple years, I fill up the tank 2-3 times per year.

> Mine gets a 40-45 mile all electric range. That sounds like the real issue, vs. EVs. This sounds like you basically have to plug it in every time you park it. And there’s no way you could do any sort of (even small) road trip without using gas. (For comparison, our EV6 has about 200-250 mile range, and we charge it about once a week or so, give or take, unless we take a road trip.) Also, one of the main advantages…

> Mine gets a 40-45 mile all electric range. That sounds like the real issue, vs. EVs. This sounds like you basically have to plug it in every time you park it. And there’s no way you could do any sort of (even small) road trip without using gas.

> (For comparison, our EV6 has about 200-250 mile range, and we charge it about once a week or so, give or take, unless we take a road trip.)

its gasoline car. You use 45miles for every day commute while charging overnight, and use gas for roadtrips: 500 miles range + 3 mins put gas into car

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by morsch »

tpxl wrote: post #244
bobby322 wrote: post #232

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see, this is the narrow minded view of so many europeans. Well just go to a closer sports club....is not an answer to the problem that thousands of people experience with small cars, and small roads.

Many more thousands have no issues with small cars or going to a closer sports club. If the roads in cities are wide enough in cities for literal trucks, then they're wide enough for your car. Widening roads and making cars bigger makes pretty much everyone less safe. Don't get me wrong, you're free to live in the boonies and drive 400km to your sports club, but don't call me narrow minded because I can load up 5 peo…

Thank you

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by riku_iki »

darth_avocado wrote: post #97
iambateman wrote: post #8

The R2 was the first time I seriously thought about spending up on a vehicle. It looks good. But $45k++ is just wild to me. It seems like the market is undervaluing used EV’s, so hopefully the depreciation curve will bring these down to $30k in a couple years for us old-school folks who prefer not to have a $1000/mo car loan.

> But $45k++ is just wild to me It’s just surprising to me that this is surprising to anyone in 2026. New cars are no longer $20-30k in the US and haven’t been since 2021. Average transaction price is now $50k+, so if companies like Rivian that skip the dealership model charge $45k, it really isn’t that expensive. The only new cars under $30k are sedans and hatchbacks. And most of them start at almost $27-30k for bas…

> New cars are no longer $20-30k in the US and haven’t been since 2021.

there are plenty cars in this subrange, its just Americans prefer to spend more on extra features.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by riku_iki »

consumer451 wrote: post #301
darth_avocado wrote: post #97

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> But $45k++ is just wild to me It’s just surprising to me that this is surprising to anyone in 2026. New cars are no longer $20-30k in the US and haven’t been since 2021. Average transaction price is now $50k+, so if companies like Rivian that skip the dealership model charge $45k, it really isn’t that expensive. The only new cars under $30k are sedans and hatchbacks. And most of them start at almost $27-30k for bas…

New base Nissan Leaf is ~30k after delivery fee, and looks pretty darn great.

they from whatever reason made it much shorter and smaller than previous gen..

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by gorgoiler »

AH4oFVbPT4f8 wrote: post #305
gorgoiler wrote: post #153

I bought a new salad spinner recently, after having broken yet another one. I’ve had fancy brands like Zyliss and OXO. I’ve had cheap store brand models and cheaper Amazon MYSSNGVWL type stuff as well. Knowing they would probably break didn’t make it feel better when they eventually broke. Anyway the new salad spinner is large, heavy, with a steel pin into a brass bushing, has a metal handle and nylon gears in a seal…

While I can't help you with a car, I share your desire of wanting things with replaceable parts, so I leave you with this, the coffee maker version your salad spinner, https://us.moccamaster.com . All parts replaceable.

I ‘ave already got one!

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by screye »

gorgoiler wrote: post #153

I bought a new salad spinner recently, after having broken yet another one. I’ve had fancy brands like Zyliss and OXO. I’ve had cheap store brand models and cheaper Amazon MYSSNGVWL type stuff as well. Knowing they would probably break didn’t make it feel better when they eventually broke. Anyway the new salad spinner is large, heavy, with a steel pin into a brass bushing, has a metal handle and nylon gears in a seal…

2 reasons

Electronics and code ruined replaced pure mechanics. Components aren't physically maintainable or hot-swappable, because they aren't just physically connected.

Second is that maintenance is how dealerships make money, so there is a monetary incentive to make it seem esoteric.

For your purposes, the upcoming slate truck is closest analogue - https://www.slate.auto/en

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Post by sksksk »

bobby322 wrote: post #218
sksksk wrote: post #197

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What I've observed, is that 90% of journeys people make can be done without a car. Designing a city that helps people make those journeys car free, makes it better for the 10% of journeys that do need to be made with a car.

Can and want to or being efficient are different things. I "can" travel around in a city using public transport with 3 kids and all their sporting equipment, do I want to, no. Would any sane person want to? No.

That’s a bit of a strawman argument. Most journeys don’t consist of three children and all their sporting equipment.

As a practical example, in the UK, on average a young g child lives 1.7miles away from their school.

That is an easily walkable distance for most children, yet lots of parents choose to drive it because they feel the streets aren’t safe to walk on in rush hour.

If by redesigning streets to make active travel more appealing, you could reduce the number of cars on the school run by 10%; it would improve the traffic situation for the ones who still need to drive. Win-win

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by bdangubic »

LeafItAlone wrote: post #177
bdangubic wrote: post #71

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I have 2014 Tesla S which which I recently had drive unit and battery replaced ($20k total). my friends all think I am nuts, but they all have $1k+ payments (some for 72m) while I haven’t had a car payment since 2017 and won’t have another one till 2036 :)

Who paid the $20k?

I did :)

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by bdangubic »

hnburnsy wrote: post #84
bdangubic wrote: post #71

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I have 2014 Tesla S which which I recently had drive unit and battery replaced ($20k total). my friends all think I am nuts, but they all have $1k+ payments (some for 72m) while I haven’t had a car payment since 2017 and won’t have another one till 2036 :)

How many miles?

67k
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