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Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by alainrk »

thagra wrote: post #135

If the author is this Alain di Chiappari, he works for a telehealth and psychology site: https://theorg.com/org/unobravo-telehealth-psychology-servic... It is interesting how many telehealth and crypto people are promoting AI (David Sacks being the finest of all specimens). The article itself is of course an AI assisted mashup of all propaganda talking points. People using Unobravo should take note.

Thank you the insightful feedback :) If you also have something to say on the point of the article itself, instead of pointing the finger on the person I'll be happy to answer on that

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Post by athrowaway3z »

dasil003 wrote: post #275
mark242 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that it's going to be the opposite. At re:Invent, one of the popular sessions was in creating a trio of SRE agents, one of which did nothing but read logs and report errors, one of which did analysis of the errors and triaged and proposed fixes, and one to do the work and submit PRs to your repo. Then, as part of the session, you would artificially introduce a bug into the system, then run into the bug…

I agree with both you and the GP. Yes, coding is being totally revolutionized by AI, and we don't really know where the ceiling will be (though I'm skeptical we'll reach true AGI any time soon), but I believe there still an essential element of understanding how computer systems work that is required to leverage AI in a sustainable way. There is some combination of curiosity of inner workings and precision of thought…

I can see why people are skeptical devs can be 10x as productive.

But something I'd bet money on is that devs are 10x more productive at using these tools.

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lowsong wrote: post #96

> Layers upon layers of abstractions that abstract nothing meaningful, that solve problems we shouldn’t have had in the first place, that create ten new problems for every one they claim to fix. LLM generated code is the ultimate abstraction. A mess of code with no trusted origin that nobody has ever understood. It's worse than even the worst maintained libraries and frameworks in every way.

If you have no idea on how to setup the pillars you're absolutely right, maybe you should try

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Post by fennecbutt »

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

Business has been operating on a management/executive culture for many decades now.

These people get paid millions a year to fly around and shake hands with people aka shit fuck all.

At times in the past I have worked on projects that were rushed out and didn't do a single thing that they were intended to do.

And you know what management's response was? They loved that shit. Ooooh it looks do good, that's so cool, well done. Management circle jerking each other, as if using everyone else's shafts as handles to climb the rungs of the ladder.

It's just...like it kills me that this thing I love, technology/engineering/programming...things that are responsible for many of the best things present in our modern lives, have both been twisted to create some of the worst things in our modern lives in the pursuit of profit. And the people in charge? They don't even care if it works or not, they just want that undeserved promotion for a job that a Simpsons-esque fucking drinking bird is capable of.

I just want to go back to the mid 2000s. ;~;

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Post by divbzero »

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

An HN post earlier this week declared that “AI is killing B2B SaaS”:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46888441

Developers and businesses with that attitude could experience a similarly rude awakening.

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Post by paulhebert »

paulhebert wrote: post #309
paulhebert wrote: post #298

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I think there are a number of elements: - What you are working on. AI is better at solving already solved problems with lots of examples. - How fast/skilled you were before. If you were slow before then you got a bigger speed up. If AI can solve problems you can’t you unlock new abilities - How much quality is prioritized. You can write quality, bug free code with AI but it takes longer and you get less of a boost. -…

A few more: - How much do you prioritize speed? - Do you have a big backlog of dev tasks ready to go? - What are the risks if your software doesn’t work? - Are you working on a green field or legacy project? Prototypes or MVPs?

- Do you prefer working as a manager or an individual contributor? Are you used to owning the code or managing others who write codd?

- How does your brain work? Do you rely on flow states? Do you get distracted waiting for the LLM response? How do you handle context switching?

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Post by franze »

dmbche wrote: post #145
franze wrote: post #69

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Claude Opus 4.6: “He’s a liar and a sneak, Mr. Frodo, and I’ll say it plain — he’d slit our throats in our sleep if he thought he could get away with it,” Sam spat, glaring at the hunched figure scrabbling over the stones ahead. “Every word out of that foul mouth is poison dressed up as helpfulness, and I’m sick of pretending otherwise.” Frodo stopped walking and turned sharply, his eyes flashing with an intensity th…

Do you find this interesting to make and read?

I am probably the only person who ever willingly created a complete AI generated book and willingly read it front to cover. Last summer. I called it "Claude Code: A Primer" an Claude Code Origin Story. Good book, complete made up.

The technology is here, lets explore it. And when somebody states something in an HN comment. Lets just try it. Imperfect method. But better than to just talk Hypothetically about AI.

If AI will write better books than ever written until now? More insights than ever created before. Would we read it? Is it even possible? If not, why not. Whats is missing?

Thats the questions I find fascinating. I for one want to find out. With experimentation, not via predefined believes.

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Post by mbgerring »

> For companies, it is much better having Google, Meta, Vercel deciding for you how you build product and ship code. Adopt their framework. Pay the cost of lock in. Be enchanted by their cloud managed solution to…

Right, a future where you have to pay an AI hyperscaler thousands of dollars a month for access to their closed-source black box that needs a world historical capital moat to operate effectively is actually worse than this. It is baffling to me that more people don’t see this.

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