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Microsoft's Copilot chatbot is running into problems

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ChuckMcM wrote: post #139
toomuchtodo wrote: post #130

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Sell the risky stock that has inflated in value from hype cycle exuberance and re-invest proceeds into lower risk asset classes not driven by said exuberance. "Taking money off the table." An example would be taking ISO or RSU proceeds and reinvesting in VT (Vanguard Total World Stock Index Fund ETF) or other diversified index funds. Taking money off the table - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45763769 - October…

What tomuchtodo said. When I left Sun in 1995 I had 8,000 shares, which in 1998 would have paid off my house, and when I sold them when Oracle bought Sun after a reverse 3:1 split, the total would not even buy a new car. Can be a painful lesson, certainly it leaves an impression.

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Post by snarfy »

InterlooperX wrote: post #236
Etheryte wrote: post #13

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Because most of Microsoft's revenue is not generated by end-users. It's large government agencies and big corporations where the end-user is ten steps detached from the actual decision to buy or not to buy something.

Which is why it is baffling to me that MS won't let the end users alone. I am still battling with the fact they are hell bend on removing the whole "local users" approach of personal computing. Why stop giving people the option to use their computer the way they want to? What does MS get out of pushing everybody into online account for an on prem system? It should be evident to them by now that there is a portion of…

It makes more sense if you replace the person buying with "company" and replace "local user" with "employee".

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Post by Underqualified »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #102
Etheryte wrote: post #13

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Because most of Microsoft's revenue is not generated by end-users. It's large government agencies and big corporations where the end-user is ten steps detached from the actual decision to buy or not to buy something.

There was a conspiracy theory in my company that M$ had plants in my company to turn everything into M$. "If it doesnt have the word M$ in it, we aren't using it." I didn't hear this directly, but it was told to me. Call it telephone, but my director fired the python devs in favor of M$ Power Automate. As someone who lived through M$ Access.... lmao.

My company recently decided to move away from Power Automate after having trained lots of people on this 'no code' platform and then having to hire expensive consultants to support or flesh out the apps those users had actually written.

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Post by mminer237 »

rightbyte wrote: post #100
anthonypasq wrote: post #86

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Your premise that the leaders of every single one of the top 10 biggest and most profitable companies in human history are all preposterously wrong about a new technology in their existing industry is hard to believe. AI is literally the fastest growing and most widely used/deployed technologies ever.

The product is the stock price, not Office or Windows. From that perspective they are doing it right.

Microsoft has done the worst of any Mag 7 stock since the day before ChatGPT's release: https://totalrealreturns.com/n/AAPL,MSFT,AMZN,GOOGL,META,TSL...

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Post by mminer237 »

dahcryn wrote: post #302
jacquesm wrote: post #187

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> I hear that going all-in on AI was internally disruptive and probably had some bad side-effects that I'm ignoring, but in hindsight it was the right thing to do. That's the opposite in my experience. It is driving long term google audience away from google's paying products.

why? I don't base my youtube subscription or my drive subscription based on my AI subscriptions Sure I get gemini for free now for a year since I have bought a pixel, but I have no intention to renew, I'll likely just leech of the ones my employer pays for

When YouTube is replacing translations with AI-generated ones or if Drive is using all your personal documents as training data, that can definitely drive people away.

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Post by netsharc »

Schlagbohrer wrote: post #246
netsharc wrote: post #243

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God, it's so dumb. And these 2 menues have 2 different looks, because I guess for Windows 11 they reimplemented it in whatever fancy fucking UI framework they decided to make, but they didn't complete the implementation so they still had to offer the "legacy" version of the menu. For a long while "Settings" had 2 interfaces, 1 that looks like it's from the iPhone, and the other which is from "Control Panel"...

I forgot that there are three different, separate, different-looking settings menus for the mouse, which show three layers of legacy OS implementation. Also for display settings windows 11 has two different areas where pieces of display settings can be changed.

My work computer's Win 11 install is originally French, I'm using the English UI. Searching for "Display" in the start menu shows me Display-related settings... in English and French. Looking at it closely, the English results point to settings available via the Control Panel, and the French ones point to settings in the "Settings" app. Picking a French result opens the Settings app, in English.

But yeah, Microsoft competency means it's also fine to show some search results in the language which isn't the user's preferred UI language.

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Post by dahcryn »

hangonhn wrote: post #15
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #3

> push by Chief Executive Satya Nadella to transform Microsoft into an AI-first company Why can't we have a 'user-first' company. Maybe think about the user of your products a wee tiny bit. But no, it is not to be.

From the article, "its productivity software is used by hundreds of millions of corporate users, a captive audience to whom it can easily promote new AI products." Their end users are what they ultimately sell. They are captive audiences. This is what monopolies/platforms do. It's never been part of MSFT's DNA to care that much about end user experience. Who they really cater to are the IT decision makers, etc. These…

weirdly enough, we asked microsoft to help us build these reports and give us insights into these numbers. The ones in our country were utterly incapable and just send screenshots of powerbi reports from the US team.

So yeah, it really is completely broken internally. monopoly abuse to the fullest, we weren't even allowed by our CTO to do an RFP with potential copilot competitors, and the license cost for 5000 users is insane

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Post by walt_grata »

_fat_santa wrote: post #33

The biggest issue I see is Microsoft's entire mentality around AI adoption that focuses more on "getting the numbers up" then actually delivering a product people want to use. Most of the announcements I hear about Copilot, it's always how they've integrated it into some other piece of software or cut a deal with yet another vendor to add it to that vendors product offering. On the surface there's nothing wrong with…

This is the bad side of things like OKRs. They push you away from user satisfaction since that harder to measure, coupled with go consequences for missing them. People just force adoption without taking the product signals that come from users rejecting your changes.

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Post by duxup »

In some ways this reminds me of the .NET marketing debacle Microsoft pulled where every product suddenly was ".NET" and nobody could explain what that meant or what it did that was helpful.

Similarly Copilot is everywhere, but why I would want it there or use it there is unknown.

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Post by karel-3d »

deckar01 wrote: post #115
_fat_santa wrote: post #33

The biggest issue I see is Microsoft's entire mentality around AI adoption that focuses more on "getting the numbers up" then actually delivering a product people want to use. Most of the announcements I hear about Copilot, it's always how they've integrated it into some other piece of software or cut a deal with yet another vendor to add it to that vendors product offering. On the surface there's nothing wrong with…

MS actually changed their office.com landing page to a funnel that tricks you to into installing a copilot app. It used to be the dashboard for MS web apps. There are no links to the web apps, but they are all still there, you just have to know the subdomains. The app doesn’t have any of the functionality that page used to offer…

Well there is no "Office" anymore, the suite is named "Microsoft 365 Copilot".
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