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A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by olyjohn »

lunar_mycroft wrote: post #185
skybrian wrote: post #130

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Banks will try to get out of it, but in the US, Regulation E could probably be used to get the money back, at least for someone aware of it. And OpenClaw could probably help :) https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/regulation-e/

I'm not a lawyer, but if I'm reading the actual regulation [0] correctly, it would only apply in the case of prompt injection or other malicious activity. 1005.2.m defines "Unauthorized electronic fund transfer" as follows: > an electronic fund transfer from a consumer's account initiated by a person other than the consumer without actual authority to initiate the transfer and from which the consumer receives no bene…

Would you say you might be able to... claw.... back that money?

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by echelon »

malfist wrote: post #301
echelon wrote: post #265

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This all reminds me of Bill Gates on Letterman back in 1995: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBSLUbpJvwA "Do tape recorders ring a bell?" There are so many things I don't want to do. I don't want to read the internet and social media anymore - I'd rather just have a digest of high signal with a little bit of serendipity. Instead of bookmarking a fun physics concept to come back to later, I could have an agent find mo…

Ads are for sure not fucked. They're going to be integrated into everything in this utopia of yours. Big tech has shown us time and time again, not only will they sell a non-paying customer to advertisers, but they'll sell paying ones too. No opportunity for revenue will be overlooked.

When the sand is smart and does what I say, you can't reach me.

AdBlock was child's play. We're going to have kernel-level condoms for every pixel on screen. Thinking agents and fast models that vaporize anything we don't like.

The only thing that matters is that we have thin clients we control. And I think we stand a chance of that.

The ads model worked because of disproportionate distribution, platform power, and verticalization. Nobody could build competing infra to deal with it. That won't be the case in the future.

How does Facebook know the person calling their API is human? How do they know the feed being scrolled is flesh fingers?

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by louiereederson »

pythonaut_16 wrote: post #304
louiereederson wrote: post #291

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Do you have that much trouble remembering what is in your fridge to consider this the stupidest thing you have ever read on this site? I feel superhuman.

GP might be hyperbolic but come on. Common internet tropes include both "look at this forgotten jar that's been in the back of my fridge since 1987" and "doesn't it suck how much food we waste in the modern world?" Nearly every modern invention could be dismissed with this attitude. "Why do you need a typewriter? Just write on paper like the rest of the world does." "Why do you need a notebook? Just remember everythi…

The solution being discussed involves someone removing everything from their fridge, photographing it and paying for an LLM to process it into a database of sorts. Further, in order for this database to be complete they need to repeat this process every time something changes in their fridge. Also will the LLM be able to tell if my carton of milk is 10% empty? I do not disagree that food waste is a problem, but the solution seems laughably impractical, and the default (memory) seems far better suited to the task. I can confidently say that the net value creation is not comparable to the written word.

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Post by malfist »

echelon wrote: post #312
malfist wrote: post #301

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Ads are for sure not fucked. They're going to be integrated into everything in this utopia of yours. Big tech has shown us time and time again, not only will they sell a non-paying customer to advertisers, but they'll sell paying ones too. No opportunity for revenue will be overlooked.

When the sand is smart and does what I say, you can't reach me. AdBlock was child's play. We're going to have kernel-level condoms for every pixel on screen. Thinking agents and fast models that vaporize anything we don't like. The only thing that matters is that we have thin clients we control. And I think we stand a chance of that. The ads model worked because of disproportionate distribution, platform power, and v…

You going to train your own model so you don't have to have a model recommending products that google/anthropic/openai ran paid alignment on to encourage you to drink your ovaltine?

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

warkdarrior wrote: post #225
taytus wrote: post #216

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>You do understand that is who you’re competing with now right? No. I'm competing with no one.

You may think you are not competing. The people whose money you may want (employers, investors, customers) definitely see you as one of many competitors for their funds.

Exactly

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by louiereederson »

raincole wrote: post #310
hamdingers wrote: post #290

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This is how billions of people across the planet manage their pantries. Get off this site and talk to real people more often.

Billions of people don't use calendar apps so they're useless; just remember your meetings. Billions of people don't use todo list apps so they're useless; just remember what to do. Billions of people don't use post-its apps so they're useless; just remember what you're going to write down. Billions of people don't have cars; just walk. You can dismiss any invention since industrial revolution with this logic.

The point, as I noted below, is that this is an impractical solution.

You can justify the value of any ridiculous invention by comparing it to a world-changing invention.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by consumer451 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #30
causal wrote: post #20

I'm still trying to understand what makes this project worthy of like 100K Github stars overnight. What's the secret sauce? Is it just that it has a lot of integrations? Like what makes this so much more successful than the ten thousand other AI agent projects?

It's set up to wake up periodically and work autonomously for you based on the broad instructions it's been given. Compared to the usual coding agent workloads, this makes it a lot more "assistant"-like.

Four months ago, I was playing with basically the same framework to explore the idea of "consciousness," using Claude Agent SDK as the harness and Opus 4.5 as the LLM.

I was thinking: wake up every hour, look at some webcams and the weather forecast (senses, change), maybe look at my calendar, maybe read my personal emails for important things, proactively chat with me for work or just fun via email invites.

I played with it for a bit, then got back to "serious work."

I am such an idiot for not seeing the broader value. One thing is that I was sure some multi-billion dollar company was already doing this, and I am super paranoid about the Lethal Trifecta.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by hamdingers »

raincole wrote: post #310
hamdingers wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how billions of people across the planet manage their pantries. Get off this site and talk to real people more often.

Billions of people don't use calendar apps so they're useless; just remember your meetings. Billions of people don't use todo list apps so they're useless; just remember what to do. Billions of people don't use post-its apps so they're useless; just remember what you're going to write down. Billions of people don't have cars; just walk. You can dismiss any invention since industrial revolution with this logic.

You have soundly defeated that strawman, well done.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by joquarky »

LogicFailsMe wrote: post #280
sownkun wrote: post #255

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This is how I perceive a lot of the AI being rammed down our throats: questionably useful.

That's because the loudest voices don't really get how the technology or the science works. They just know how to shout persuasively. I think AI is about to do the same thing to pair programming that full self-driving has done for driving. It will be a long time before it's perfect but it's already useful. I also think someone is going to make a Blockbuster quality movie with AI within a couple years and there will b…

> That's because the loudest voices don't really get how the technology or the science works. They just know how to shout persuasively.

These people have taken over the industry in the past 10 years.

They don't care anything about the tech or product quality. They talk smooth, loud, and fast so the leaders overlook their incompetence while creating a burden for the rest of the team.

I had a spectacular burnout a few years ago because of these brogrammers and now I have to compete with them in what feels like a red queen's race where social skills are becoming far more important than technical skills to land a job.

I'm tired.

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