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Post by _heimdall »

p-e-w wrote: post #290
cpncrunch wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should it not be available with a valid court order as well?

Why? What is the rationale? Unless of course you subscribe to the idea that anything goes as long as a court decrees it, in which case there’s nothing to debate really.

Court approved warrants are pretty fundamental to how our legal system works and how some level of accountability is maintained. That system isn't perfect by any stretch, but removing it unlocks Pandoras box and I'm not sure we'd be better off without it.

As it stands, a cop has to get a warrant to enter and search your home, for example. If we remove that hurdle because we also don't trust the courts then we just have more searches.

I get the reaction to turn on the whole system, I have very little faith in it myself. But I don't think many people are really aware of or ready for what would come without it.

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Post by mycall »

krick wrote: post #280
ruszki wrote: post #200

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> They aren't doing this for anyone's safety. Strictly speaking, this is not completely true. When you call an emergency number, it’s very good that they can see exactly where you are. That was how this was sold 15+ years ago. But of course, that’s basically the only use case when this should be available.

Yet when I call emergency I must provide my location verbally, and then am usually contacted for a follow-up, because the guys cannot find the place. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that this location technology works perfectly well: just not for the "only use case when this should be available".

It is also useful for emergency services to double check you know the situation at hand and to cooperate with verification SOPs.

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Post by SilverElfin »

themaninthedark wrote: post #285
SilverElfin wrote: post #262

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For consequences, we need to do away with the notion of qualified immunity. Why should police officers, politicians, agents of the government have any immunity for their actions? They should carry personal liability for breaking the law and violating others’ rights. Otherwise, there is no reason they’ll change. Right now, at best you’ll sue the government and get some money, but all you’re doing is punishing other ta…

In the United States, qualified immunity is a legal principle of federal law that grants government officials performing discretionary (optional) functions immunity from lawsuits for damages unless the plaintiff shows that the official violated "clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known". Under 42 USC § 1983, a plaintiff can sue for damages when state officia…

But for federal officials, individuals don’t have standing right?

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Post by jart »

subscribed wrote: post #306
jart wrote: post #263

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Don't cheer that any policy be applied to technology you wouldn't want applied to your own brain. Imagine you get Neuralink and your best friend files for the right to be forgotten. Then poof. All your memories together gone.

This right is applied per entity. If I send it to the company A, company B doesn't execute it unless they're a subsidiary of A (or A is their data controller) and my request was carefully crafted. In the scenario you painted, that would mean that my _former_ friend has issued their request to me. In that case? Fair. Poof if that's their wish. Otherwise? How do you imagine it work?

I think I should have the right to remember the things I see.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

_heimdall wrote: post #311
p-e-w wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? What is the rationale? Unless of course you subscribe to the idea that anything goes as long as a court decrees it, in which case there’s nothing to debate really.

Court approved warrants are pretty fundamental to how our legal system works and how some level of accountability is maintained. That system isn't perfect by any stretch, but removing it unlocks Pandoras box and I'm not sure we'd be better off without it. As it stands, a cop has to get a warrant to enter and search your home, for example. If we remove that hurdle because we also don't trust the courts then we just ha…

Have you been paying attention to the news lately where Trump is weaponizing the court system to a point where ethical AGs are resigning instead of complying?

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Post by stavros »

defer wrote: post #272
stavros wrote: post #270

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Wait wait, so if I know the "secret" SMS format I can text someone's phone and get their coordinates back?

No, the SMS is initiated by the device upon calling emergency, not requested by the emergency service. The standard is called AML. The format is not secret either, it's just binary encoded.

Ahh OK, well that just sounds reasonable.

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Post by driverdan »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #40

This community should be talking about meshcore more imho. It's a peer to peer network based on Lora. It really only allows text messaging but with up to 20km hops between peers coverage is surprisingly huge. Incredibly useful if you go hiking with friends (if you get split up you can still stay in touch). See https://eastmesh.au/ and scroll down to the map for the Victoria and now more widely Australia network that'…

What does this have to do with mobile carriers tracking GPS data? If you're implying we should use it instead of mobile phones that's not practical at all.

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Post by p-e-w »

cpncrunch wrote: post #294
p-e-w wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? What is the rationale? Unless of course you subscribe to the idea that anything goes as long as a court decrees it, in which case there’s nothing to debate really.

Im a little confused. Do you not believe there should be courts at all?

What I don’t believe is that courts should have the power to force anything to happen just by signing a piece of paper.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by Forgeties79 »

cpncrunch wrote: post #275
ruszki wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They aren't doing this for anyone's safety. Strictly speaking, this is not completely true. When you call an emergency number, it’s very good that they can see exactly where you are. That was how this was sold 15+ years ago. But of course, that’s basically the only use case when this should be available.

Should it not be available with a valid court order as well?

Slavery also took advantage of valid court orders. “Because it’s the law” is not enough. Our rights should always be the biased stance.
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