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Re: ASML staffing changes could result in a net reduction of around 1700 positions

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Post by Nevermark »

f1shy wrote: post #278
joe_mamba wrote: post #65

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> Within a couple of years the Philips people were able to transform the company to be very management/top heavy until nothing worked anymore You see the same pattern with Siemens and a lot of their spinoffs: Continental(VDO), Infineon, Qimonda, Gigaset, Healthineers (yes, that's a real name that somebody got paid to come up with), etc THe ones without some major moat like trains or energy, got slowly run into the gr…

The problem now seems to be that that kind of management is in charge in the government...

The US could certainly use more engineers and less lawyers and financiers in government.

Some actual problem solving at the top, communicated in a way that makes sense, instead of waves.

To get dangerously close to political topics: I love Pete Buttigieg for being a wonk but likable and understandable. And cool as a cucumber. All that is so rare, when it should be pervasive.

(Whatever his other pros or cons - I am not an expert on him.)

More of that, please.

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Post by locknitpicker »

yomismoaqui wrote: post #127
joe_mamba wrote: post #104

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Thanks for sharing. You know what's ironic about Qimonda? China bought their IP after they went under, and used it to build two domestic NAND and DRAM manufacturers that are set to become giants. Funny how China has the vision to use, finance and monetize where western governments keep failing. That's what hurts the most to see. EU says they want a strong domestic electronics industry, but with the exception of ASML,…

Say what you want about China's monoparty system, but it enables planning that spans decades. Our 4 years terms is short slighted by design.

> Say what you want about China's monoparty system, but it enables planning that spans decades.

That's not a trait of a monoparty system, or even any totalitarian autocratic system. There are democratic multiparty systems which have plans that spans decades, and autocratic totalitarian regimes that barely put together a coherent multi-year project.

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Post by locknitpicker »

newsclues wrote: post #240
ccozan wrote: post #156

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EU has 7 years planning interval. Is not bad and tends to overlap the usual 4 years legislature in member countries.

Companies are on quarterly schedules. Countries/cities/counties are often 4ish years. XI has been the head of the CCP for 14 years

Hungary's Orban has been in power for how long? 16 years and counting? Is Hungary a paragon of growth and strategic planning?

Re: ASML staffing changes could result in a net reduction of around 1700 positions

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Post by f1shy »

joe_mamba wrote: post #287
f1shy wrote: post #280

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That plus the german system of "Zeugnisse", which if you squint you will see that is totally against GDPR and even constitution: whereby you get marked (for life) by your employer with a document that has the same validity as any other public document, they "document" your performance (according to you current boss, anyway, in case you do not have a good relation you don't get a good certificate) in a language which…

I hate that shit too, but the zeugniss situation is in practice not that draconical these days AFAIK I can't remember the last time anyone wanted to read what previous employers said about me,at least in software/hardware industry. Maybe it's different in more credentialed professions like medicine or civil engineering. They just want to check that you actually worked where you said you worked in your resume, and tod…

Well. I‘m searching now, and they are asking for it pretty much everywhere. I‘m lucky I had good relation with my boss.

What are the other documents you can get?

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Post by npstr »

101008 wrote: post #264
npstr wrote: post #238

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Sorry, but the empathy is misplaced. These people working bullshit jobs are dragging down the whole organization. If bullshit jobs are allowed to proliferate, they risk the even larger number of jobs (and families) of the people doing the actual work.

Even if what you are saying it's true (which is hard to prove), that may not be their fault either. Sometimes the context doesn't allow you to do what you want, what you think it's best, etc. You would say "Resign and find somewhere where you could", and that isn't easy either. So again, please let's try to be more empathic, we are not talking about terrorist or really bad guys. These are employees of companies, with…

Yes, they absolutely are the bad guys, if they are the reason that the Engineers - the ones actually making the product - are unhappy. Did you miss this part of the announcement?

> Engineers in particular have expressed their desire to focus their time on engineering, without being hampered by slow process flows, and restore the fast-moving culture that has made us so successful.

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Post by npstr »

lelanthran wrote: post #284
npstr wrote: post #238

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Sorry, but the empathy is misplaced. These people working bullshit jobs are dragging down the whole organization. If bullshit jobs are allowed to proliferate, they risk the even larger number of jobs (and families) of the people doing the actual work.

Sure, but mass layoffs do not necessarily mean that they are laying off the people not doing anything.

Not nothing - they are doing bullshit.

> Engineers in particular have expressed their desire to focus their time on engineering, without being hampered by slow process flows, and restore the fast-moving culture that has made us so successful.

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Post by Tade0 »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #186
Tade0 wrote: post #108

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I wouldn't sweat about it. In my ~40mln country the construction sector (that includes renovation, landscaping etc.) outnumbers the IT sector 3:1. Lead times for having things done around here are ridiculous, which is why I believe the former can absorb half of the latter with little change in salaries.

Yeah skilled blue collar labor is insanely stupidly expensive. I do want a flood of them so that the current scammers in most of the skilled blue collars get devalued. No, you do not get to charge 500 USD to change an anode rod on a water heater if I have the damn rod. That's a 20 min job MAX and the only reason I'm calling you is that putting on the stupid plumbing tape at the end is annoying for me I understand gui…

> I do want a flood of them so that the current scammers in most of the skilled blue collars get devalued.

Same here. A friend of mine had some interior finishing done by two guys - one was a drinker, the other - a smoker (not tobacco).

After several missed deadlines and significant cost overruns, the drinker had to go, because he would go AWOL too often. The smoker stayed, because he responded to yelling and threats of lawsuits.

> Y'all think that AI researchers should go to jail for hallucinated citations?

I don't want to start this conversation because to me if we were a proper branch of engineering, a lot of us would be in jail already.

> Dental surgeons should go to jail for selling homeopathic remedies

I respect the hustle, but he could have just went with vitamin C supplements like my guy. He's a doctor(like all denstist here) and those pills legitimately contain proper amounts of vitamin C. Only difference is that I can get the same thing for 1/4 of the price at any pharmacy.

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Post by npstr »

gosub100 wrote: post #256
npstr wrote: post #238

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Sorry, but the empathy is misplaced. These people working bullshit jobs are dragging down the whole organization. If bullshit jobs are allowed to proliferate, they risk the even larger number of jobs (and families) of the people doing the actual work.

It's not a foregone conclusion that they are bullshit jobs. What's likely to happen is that work or risk management will now be foisted on other staff that will not receive extra compensation for handling or will get marked down or dismissed for not completing.

What are you basing this on? The announcement literally says the people doing the work want to focus on the work and not the bullshit, so they are firing the bullshit people.

> Engineers in particular have expressed their desire to focus their time on engineering, without being hampered by slow process flows, and restore the fast-moving culture that has made us so successful.

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Post by m000 »

consp wrote: post #257
m000 wrote: post #248

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"Any job you can do is eligible" is highly inaccurate. I went through this after my PhD funding in NL ran out, which is considered a layoff. I only had to demonstrate that I made some applications to relevant jobs. No pressure whatsoever to go work in some unrelated job. Yes, the UWV [1] unemployment benefits are not perpetual (I don't recall the exact formula used to calculate the eligibility length). But even after…

Do note that you could be in the active group of an experiment if you had WW in the past 5-6 years. There was (is?) an experiment where they check some people less and even not force you to look but let you work it out on your own. > Overall, it is a very pro-worker system Having had to deal with parts of the Dutch system, I'm positive it's rigged against you. And you pay for it, it's literally a tax (WW premie, part…

It was before 2020, so I don't think there was any experiment. I had to regularly submit proof of job applications, and had to meet with UVW in person a few times.

The Dutch system is definitely rigged in the health insurance part, where they more-or-less applied US-style privatization.

But unemployment benefits are quite ok. Yes, we pay for it, the money have to come from somewhere. But it's not that your employer would handle you the money if you didn't have WW. And it's definitely better and more stress-free than GoFundMe campaigns (either as a donor or a recipient). And, again, the tilt in the employment power dynamics in your favour is priceless.

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Post by [deleted] »

chronid wrote: post #193
zwaps wrote: post #73

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Many large corporations in Europe, especially in sectors of prior consistent growth and profit, are chock full of too many managers. These are people who primarily create work for themselves and each other. I have sat in meetings about meetings for actions that, ultimately, have zero impact, in teams where managers involve outnumber people who actually execute anything three to one. It's staggering. I believe the bes…

I work for a very big US company. My team (10 people) has something like 4 PMs and every task is essentially priority 0. They're coming up with a new way to split tasks that seems inspired to a gatcha to prioritize between priority 0 tasks, this is their contribution and solution to the issue, any attempt to make them see how crazy that is has failed. There are daily syncs for things that take weeks to do due to comp…

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