Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

restofworld.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

311–320 of 391 posts

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#311

Post by nerdsniper »

mschulze wrote: post #140
joe_mamba wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which of those words classify as "hate"?

I'm answering so others who read this can know my reasoning, not to explain to you, because you know exactly what you are writing. The rhetoric that Sweden, Germany, UK and France are Muslim countries is exclusivley used by very far-right standing people to fearmonger and hate against immigrants. What would it even mean for these countries to be Muslim? Germany has literally a party with "Christian" in their name in…

Something-something-"don't feed the trolls".

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#312

Post by otherme123 »

JasonADrury wrote: post #247
otherme123 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spain is blocking whole blocks of internet during football matches. Lets make this clear: "Spain" is not blocking, some ISP companies which have many users ask the judge for permission to block IP ranges because they are streaming football matches. The judge agrees (they don't seem to know how Cloudflare works), so the ISPs are the ones that are blocking their own users to access sites behind Cloudflare. As they ha…

This is not even close to true. The Spanish state is mandating that ISPs implement these blocks or face significant penalties, up to and including imprisonment of responsible individuals. Yes, technically "Spain" is not blocking. ISPs are. It is however the armed agents of "Spain", who will come and violently lock you in a tiny room if you refuse to do as you're told. If you try to resist hard enough, they will simpl…

So this is not even close to true en the first sentence, but it is true in the second paragraph.

As I said, my ISP doesn't do this block. Are they defying the Spain government mandate? Are they facing penalties or prison? This is a private thing that Movistar /O2, mainly, is doing, to protect their football stream. Thes is like saying that the US government forces Disney to enforce tneir IP protection.

Your last paragraph is a shame. Execute people on the spot, what the fuck are you even talking about? Spain don't even punish people torrenting or piracing unless you are profiting from it (e.g. selling pirate streams).

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#313

Post by otherme123 »

pezgrande wrote: post #216
otherme123 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spain is blocking whole blocks of internet during football matches. Lets make this clear: "Spain" is not blocking, some ISP companies which have many users ask the judge for permission to block IP ranges because they are streaming football matches. The judge agrees (they don't seem to know how Cloudflare works), so the ISPs are the ones that are blocking their own users to access sites behind Cloudflare. As they ha…

The fact they allow this sh*t even when it is widely know that is happening and being abused, makes the government also responsible because inaction.

One thing is that they facilitate, not by inaction but by allowing judges to allow the blocks, and another different thing is saying that is the state the one who issues the block.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#314

Post by siev »

FilosofumRex wrote: post #34
sigmar wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A company using legal action to protect their IP rights is so different from a theocratic dictatorship shutting down the entire Internet to prevent their overthrow. Perhaps you don't follow the news about Iran but these comments are incredibly daft.

[flagged]

> It subsidize basic needs of its poorer citizens, such as fuel, bread, housing, education and healthcare.

Hold on, am I living in the wrong Iran?

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#315

Post by baxtr »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #265
baxtr wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Downvotes might happen because your comment reads one-sided. What about Russia blocking sites? As of late 2025 and early 2026, Russia has blocked numerous foreign communication, social media, and information services, restricting platforms like WhatsApp, Telegram (partially), Signal, Viber, FaceTime, Snapchat, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube. Many independent news, VPN services, and foreign websites (e.g., Chess.com…

But that's my point exactly.... do you consider this to be a good thing? Should EU behave the same as russia or iran? Should those two countries be an "excuse" for us to do it too (hey! russia does it too!)? Should the police in eg. Brussles start shooting at protesting farmers and say "what about iran, they're killing their protesters too!"? If we consider russia bad for doing those blocks above, then we should cons…

Then it's a misunderstanding and I had misread your original comment.

Of course we should not ban anything in the West.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#316

Post by JasonADrury »

otherme123 wrote: post #312
JasonADrury wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not even close to true. The Spanish state is mandating that ISPs implement these blocks or face significant penalties, up to and including imprisonment of responsible individuals. Yes, technically "Spain" is not blocking. ISPs are. It is however the armed agents of "Spain", who will come and violently lock you in a tiny room if you refuse to do as you're told. If you try to resist hard enough, they will simpl…

So this is not even close to true en the first sentence, but it is true in the second paragraph. As I said, my ISP doesn't do this block. Are they defying the Spain government mandate? Are they facing penalties or prison? This is a private thing that Movistar /O2, mainly, is doing, to protect their football stream. Thes is like saying that the US government forces Disney to enforce tneir IP protection. Your last para…

The court orders cover only specific ISPs, if your ISP is not one of those, they are not defying the mandate.

You can see right here https://www.poderjudicial.es/search/AN/openDocument/766326fb...

> Are they defying the Spain government mandate?

Nobody has claimed that this is a government mandate, it isn't. It's a court order, coming from the judiciary. While Americans might consider the judiciary to be a branch of the government, in Spain it is considered entirely separate.

> Execute people on the spot, what the fuck are you even talking about?

The police will absolutely kill you if you try to forcefully resist them when they come to arrest you for violating a court order. This is not unique to Spain, but is more of a universal principle.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#317

Post by AnimalMuppet »

egorfine wrote: post #300
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drawbacks are that your population loses contact with progress. Your people become less skilled for the modern world. That's fine if you want a country of agrarian peasants or factory-working drones, but it cripples your country if it's in a technological arms race. I mean, North Korea does manage to produce rockets and nuclear warheads. They aren't exporting technology, though.

> your population loses contact with progress This is only a drawback if you think about your country's future. Which oppressive regimes do not. Thus it is an advantage, not a drawback.

Yes and no. Take someone like Putin. He wants to be an oppressive regime, but also he wants Russia to be militarily strong. Well, militarily strong is highly tied to technological progress these days. He can force his people into human wave attacks. And that is dangerous enough to perhaps take Ukraine. It's a different story if he actually attacks NATO, though.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#318

Post by reeredfdfdf »

bpodgursky wrote: post #310
reeredfdfdf wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

North Korea has nukes though. Iran doesn't, and probably never will.

Iran has 90 million people and a giant conventional missile arsenal that deter neighbors from allowing military action against it. Invading Iran would be enormously difficult. It will also probably get nukes sooner or later. But it doesn't need nukes to be nearly untouchable.

Considering America and Israel accomplished total air superiority over Iran in matter of days just few months ago, they're obviously pretty damn far from being untouchable.

Invading Iran would be difficult, but totally destroying IRGC and military (as long as they side with the former) wouldn't be that hard. Dropping communications equipment and weapons to Iranian opposition groups wouldn't be hard either.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#319

Post by RandyOrion »

culi wrote: post #46
feverzsj wrote: post #44

It actually surprised me that they didn't do it before. China already achieved this in 2010s.

Have they though? Everybody I know who grew up in China has told me its trivial to bypass restrictions with VPNs

NO.

They can do unconditional blocking at any moment and suddenly you can experience Internet blackout. [1]

The censorship from GFW is ever evolving. See the endless cat-and-mouse games yourself. [2][3]

[1] https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/511

[2] https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues?q=is%3Aissue+state%...

[3] https://gfw.report/en/

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#320

Post by RandyOrion »

dist-epoch wrote: post #110
littlecranky67 wrote: post #59

There must be so much video footage from smartphones during the demonstations that show gruesome killings and masacres, the iranian elites have to make sure this footage never sees the rest of the world. They have to ban the internet forever.

Nah, just for a year or so, after they will say all the footage is "AI generated".

Sadly, this already happens in China.

After many years of heavy censorship on 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre, there are a lot of accounts on Chinese BBS who say all the footage "AI generated".

Post reply on HN