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Microsoft will give the FBI a Windows PC data encryption key if ordered

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How is the data recovered if device is lost?

If you lose access to all devices in the circle of trust, the data is lost. If you're curious: https://support.apple.com/guide/security/secure-keychain-syn...

That doesn't sound very promising for someone who may have only one phone from Apple or just laptop.

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Exactly! I agree about feeling free to think is important. I am a legal immigrant here on the green card, and I was randomly looking at my iCloud photos, and there were two of them where I was wearing a 2024 elections t-shirt of the losing side. The t-shirt was given to me as a gag gift, and I just had taken a picture of it to show it to the sender for giggles. Now looking at this old image. I had second thoughts. Wh…

You should definitely delete that image, as people have been denied entry or arrested at borders based on their social media history and pictures on their phone.

Can you ever really delete files that have been uploaded to the cloud tho?

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> How exactly would we draft laws to this effect, "the authorities can subpoena for any piece of evidence, except when complying to such a request might break the contractual obligations of a third party towards the suspect"? Perhaps in this case they should be required to get a warrant rather than a subpoena?

A subpoena (specifically a subpoena duces tecum[1]) is the legal instrument that a court or other legal agency uses to compel someone to provide evidence. Seems entirely appropriate in this case. [1] The other kind is subpoena testificandum, which compels someone to testify.

If they need a warrant to search your desk then they should need a warrant to search your computer.

Re: Microsoft will give the FBI a Windows PC data encryption key if ordered

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You should definitely delete that image, as people have been denied entry or arrested at borders based on their social media history and pictures on their phone.

Can you ever really delete files that have been uploaded to the cloud tho?

It's enough to delete it from the places the border guard looks.

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> Microsoft is legally entitled to refuse a request from law enforcement, and subject to criminal penalties if it refuses a valid legal order. This is a problem, because Microsoft operates in a lot of jurisdictions, but one of them always wants to be the exception and claims that it has jurisdiction over all the others. Not that I personally am of the opinion, that it is wise for the other jurisdiction to trust Micro…

You're arguing for corporate sovereignty. I think you need to rethink your position.

Actually I think that corporate sovereignty is inevitable, hence countries should have never allowed companies to get that large. But for this discussion, yes Microsoft just needs to split and/or go to the Cayman Islands.

Re: Microsoft will give the FBI a Windows PC data encryption key if ordered

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A subpoena (specifically a subpoena duces tecum[1]) is the legal instrument that a court or other legal agency uses to compel someone to provide evidence. Seems entirely appropriate in this case. [1] The other kind is subpoena testificandum, which compels someone to testify.

If they need a warrant to search your desk then they should need a warrant to search your computer.

And they do. But if they want to compel your accountant to provide evidence (say) they use a subpoena. So if they want to compel Microsoft to provide evidence they should use a subpoena.

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You can just ... not select the option to upload your keys to MS? During the setup you get to choose where to store your bitlocker recovery key.

The last time I've installed windows, bitlocker was enabled automatically and the key was uploaded without my consent. Yes, you can opt out of it while manually activating bitlocker, but I find it infuriating that there's no such choice at the system installation process. It's stupid that after system installation a user supposed to renecrypt their system drive if they don't want this.

How would you even know that your opt-out request isn't silently ignored? Or your re-encrypted drive's key got backed up to the cloud because an update silently inverted a flag?

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That's a crypto architecture design choice, MS opted for the user-friendly key escrow option instead of the more secure strong local key - that requires a competent user setting a strong password and saving recovery codes, understanding the disastrous implication of a key loss etc. Given the abilities of the median MS client, the better choice is not obvious at all, while "protecting from a nation-state adversary" wa…

They could still have asked. They do if you enable Bitlocker outside of the OOBE. This story is just yet another confirmation of what used to be the "the americans have bugged most computers in the world" conspiracy theory. I hope Microsoft wakes up to the changes in the way America is being viewed these days, because they stand to lose a lot of business if they don't.

I hope they don't wake up because they deserve to lose a lot of business after decades of abusing their monopolistic position to push software that prioritizes their own interests and not that of their customers.

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Actual freedom starts with freedom of thought which requires spaces that you can truly believe are safe. The push for the surveillance world is rapidly eroding the places someone can not only be safe to think but feel safe to think in. The 'feel safe' is deeply important here. The arguments of 'if you have nothing to hide' do not make anyone feel safe, they do the opposite and they chill free thought. The second, ver…

Exactly! I agree about feeling free to think is important. I am a legal immigrant here on the green card, and I was randomly looking at my iCloud photos, and there were two of them where I was wearing a 2024 elections t-shirt of the losing side. The t-shirt was given to me as a gag gift, and I just had taken a picture of it to show it to the sender for giggles. Now looking at this old image. I had second thoughts. Wh…

Expect your door to come crashing in any second now. I hope I am joking about this.

I hear Canada is nice though.

Re: Microsoft will give the FBI a Windows PC data encryption key if ordered

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The same way you cannot be sure that FBI is not criminals

It's a catchy meme for sure, but when people actually start to believe - like for real, not just the usual talking shit that passes for "conversation" with normal people - that law enforcement officers are worse thugs than regular thugs -- that's a fast way to turn into a failed state, where that actually is true. Causality here actually works both ways, because in free(ish) societies, law enforcement derives its aut…

Two weeks ago this would have been completely uncontroversial, but given the repeated executions by shooting people of probable opposite political conviction in the face, things just got a lot more complicated.
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