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Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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The US used to have multiple military bases in Greenland during the Cold War. It has closed most of them and is down to one. It could, at any time, reopen them and move troops there under existing agreements, or build more. Nobody would bat an eyelid. To pretend this is about defence is nonsense. It’s about taking territory.

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Had Merkel not opened the border in 2015, Germany would be far worse off. If you ever set foot into a German retirement home, hospital, restaurant, random shop at the central station, cinema, xmas market, you name it, you realize that all those immigrants are currently carrying the economy. She should get a prize for this instead of being blamed. Even if you don't care about the moral aspect of helping refugees.

In Germany, 23% of the people in working age, don't work [1]. The "refugees are carrying the economy", because you are effectively paying 23% of the local working age population (I'm here assuming you aren't paying refugees to go there and not work, right?) to slack. Remove their benefits and see how quickly you don't need to import people to do those jobs. And no, I don't care about the "moral aspect" of not "helpin…

>I'm here assuming you aren't paying refugees to go there and not work, right? incorrect

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Suggesting Trump is psychopathic is just hilarious. Keep diluting the meaning of those words will ya?

psychopathic /ˌsʌɪkəˈpaθɪk/ adjective adjective: psychopathic affected or marked by a persistent pattern of antisocial, impulsive, manipulative, and sometimes aggressive behaviour (not in current technical use). "a psychopathic disorder" Psychopathy, or psychopathic personality,[1] is a personality construct[2][3] characterized by impaired empathy and remorse, persistent antisocial behavior,[4] along with bold, disin…

It's not just a dictionary definition, there's a real threshold for what can be considered psychopathy in clinical terms.

You could say that about a lot of people you don't like.

I'm not saying there's some traits, but we could say that about many people. He's narcissistic for sure and charismatic, but again...

If you want something more likely, look up NPD:

Key Characteristics

Grandiosity: Exaggerated sense of self-importance, achievements, and talents.

Need for Admiration: Constant craving for attention and praise.

Lack of Empathy: Inability or unwillingness to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.

Sense of Entitlement: Unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment.

Exploitative Behavior: Taking advantage of others to achieve personal ends.

Envy: Often envious of others or believes others are envious of them.

Arrogance: Haughty, condescending attitudes or behaviors.

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I'm just saying, clinical psychopathy is much more rare and extreme

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If you think that it's just an imagination, the universe will make you physically feel what it really is. Not all at once, but gradually, drop by drop. And then, you'll learn the true meaning of another "meme" word: ignorance.

Or you’ll find out that strong men thinking in memes create even worse times.

In any case, that's the beauty of life: we live the consequences. Both sweet and bitter, depending on choices of the past.

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psychopathic /ˌsʌɪkəˈpaθɪk/ adjective adjective: psychopathic affected or marked by a persistent pattern of antisocial, impulsive, manipulative, and sometimes aggressive behaviour (not in current technical use). "a psychopathic disorder" Psychopathy, or psychopathic personality,[1] is a personality construct[2][3] characterized by impaired empathy and remorse, persistent antisocial behavior,[4] along with bold, disin…

It's not just a dictionary definition, there's a real threshold for what can be considered psychopathy in clinical terms. You could say that about a lot of people you don't like. I'm not saying there's some traits, but we could say that about many people. He's narcissistic for sure and charismatic, but again... If you want something more likely, look up NPD: Key Characteristics Grandiosity: Exaggerated sense of self-…

Ok, fair enough, thanks. I can roll with that. But in summary: we have a problem.

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This isn’t really about Greenland’s strategic value; it’s about the category error. You can trade goods, sign treaties, and negotiate basing rights. You can’t “buy” a people or their sovereignty especially when they don’t consent. That’s why Europe responds with process and principle: normalize coercion-as-bargaining among allies and you’re reviving a pre-1945 model of politics Europe built institutions to prevent. I…

The US has some grace here as most of the negative feelings towards it dies with it's government. You're going to pick better next time, right?

Except that everyone can see that the US is capable of putting this kind of government into power, and could do so again and again.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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This isn’t really about Greenland’s strategic value; it’s about the category error. You can trade goods, sign treaties, and negotiate basing rights. You can’t “buy” a people or their sovereignty especially when they don’t consent. That’s why Europe responds with process and principle: normalize coercion-as-bargaining among allies and you’re reviving a pre-1945 model of politics Europe built institutions to prevent. I…

> It’s also lose-lose for the US.

Yes. Ian Bremmer keeps pointing out that if the "law of the jungle" becomes the norm for relations between countries, the USA will not benefit as much as autocracies like China and Russia.

See https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TLhz6ZbrMuI for a more full-throated explanation from Ian.

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This isn’t really about Greenland’s strategic value; it’s about the category error. You can trade goods, sign treaties, and negotiate basing rights. You can’t “buy” a people or their sovereignty especially when they don’t consent. That’s why Europe responds with process and principle: normalize coercion-as-bargaining among allies and you’re reviving a pre-1945 model of politics Europe built institutions to prevent. I…

The US has some grace here as most of the negative feelings towards it dies with it's government. You're going to pick better next time, right?

Not American. Also: reputational damage isn’t a skin that sheds when a government changes; allies and markets adapt structurally.

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There wouldn't have been a problem if the US would've just done a deal go deploy all their stuff on Greenland, hell, even a whole autonomous military zone or something? But nooooo, they gotta buy the whole thing like it's Alaska or something. I don't get it. Especially because now Russia/China will actually get real interested in the Arctic, plus that they now have an opportunity to disrupt the alliance and delegitim…

Like Trump, I too am a (albeit, small-time) real estate guy. Ownership gives me tingles that renting could never give me. You rent a place for 30 years, diligently pay rent, and in the end you own nothing? Pshaw.

I get it, but the world doesn't run on hard power, it runs on soft power.

The US could simply invade Greenland if it actually refuses to let them stay there, or if an adversary tries to take it over.

That's why I'm so appalled. There is no such imminent threat which would force such a transaction to take place.

Subtle deals like the one I was talking about won't fly as justifications to take action against the US by Russia/China, nor will it up tensions unlike this drama.

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