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Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

defrost wrote: post #295
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree but trust me when I say this, its not gonna happen. I see people so entrenched in American politics who cant believe that there can be independents atleast in how the current voting works They probably need better voting mechanisms... but for which they are gonna have to vote and no republican or democrat is gonna propose this ( i really don't think so) and the people can probably only vote for republican or…

As a non American you have a semi reasonable chance of being to sit back, take a beat, and watch (maybe) Trump implode and self destruct within the US system and maybe some following rebuilding of the system "as intended" with better safeguards. Trump’s triumphant narrative is not working at home, either. A new CNN poll released Friday shows that fifty-eight percent of Americans believe that Trump’s first year in off…

One of the issues I have with this is that a Weaker America does mean a better China and the reasons I have been vocal is that this doesn't have to do much with America itself but rather the fact that we need a multi polarized world in first place with (I think) policies of non alighnment because Europe aligned itself to US for the most part, its coming so much as a shock-wave in the first place.

A stronger China does mean more micro-agressions towards Asean countries in general (japan,south korea,India) and QUAD members (minus the united states) so it would be beneficial if the EU block could align itself with the members of Asean who still align with democratic ideals and similar.

This is probably why most countries officials (or people interested in geopolitics) are on the edge of their seats

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

defrost wrote: post #309
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I guess its understable that you might think its snark partially perhaps because of the fact that they said self evidence. I do understand what you are trying to say but their point still stands in my opinion and if you want me to provide facts from real studies indicating what they mention as self evidence. I am more than happy to do so to have a more nuanced but still civil discussion. but also the fact is tha…

Could you explain to whom you believe these two snippets > sounds like the conspiratorial ramblings of someone who desperately wants to seem in the know. > But just ends up looking like a moron. are tangentially directed towards ? Do you believe that these are aligned with the HN guidelines?

I am not saying that they are aligned with HN guidelines but I am saying that their core message was still valid (although I agree that perhaps it was written in bad way) & they don't really fit the ideal HN guidelines

I agree with you and want to say that we shouldn't call people morons for voting for trump (unless they are voting because of their biases towards a particular race in which we can agree that that's bad) but rather the fact to align them towards and pointing them to real facts and showing the facts that politics can change and its not as core identity and they should look at the facts (as evidenced by many surveys one of which you showed in another tangential post as a comment and I agree with that) and try to do something about it (this is the core part I believe so where the people should try to do something when they are impacted against)

I agree we shouldn't use uncivil comments to people we don't align with partially because that still raises the us vs them dynamic which should be stopped in the first place and comments blanket calling morons does feel like increasing that tension

They should've done a better job giving more facts and being more civil so yeah I can agree with that but that being said, I still believe that what they are saying has true merit and can and should be rephrased in better words for the masses to capture to liberate themselves from echo-chamber related noises

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by padjo »

cudgy wrote: post #277
padjo wrote: post #169

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Venezuela has been an issue for all administrations since Bush. Greenland has never been an issue because there is absolutely no rationale for it. The US can put as many troops there as it likes and is welcome to try to profitably extract minerals from a frozen wasteland. This is just Trump wanting legacy because he’s a narcissist.

Wrong. Greenland has been an issue all the way back to the times of Seward in 1868.

Why stop there, let’s reconsider the Louisiana Purchase and the War of 1812.

Greenland has not been an issue in over 100 years.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by defrost »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #311
defrost wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non American you have a semi reasonable chance of being to sit back, take a beat, and watch (maybe) Trump implode and self destruct within the US system and maybe some following rebuilding of the system "as intended" with better safeguards. Trump’s triumphant narrative is not working at home, either. A new CNN poll released Friday shows that fifty-eight percent of Americans believe that Trump’s first year in off…

One of the issues I have with this is that a Weaker America does mean a better China and the reasons I have been vocal is that this doesn't have to do much with America itself but rather the fact that we need a multi polarized world in first place with (I think) policies of non alighnment because Europe aligned itself to US for the most part, its coming so much as a shock-wave in the first place. A stronger China doe…

A better China, or stronger China, would likely look like China as a trading powerhouse dominating Atlas of Economic Complexity rankings globally, exerting greater control over the bottleneck of China Sea through which almost all its inbound and outbound goods traverse.

It's unlikely (but possible) to see it flex as a global military powerhouse in the same manner as other great empires have done in the past - but it is probable that china will continue to extract "water resources" as food from Africa and elsewhere as it, the Saudi's, and others already do .. in China's case with the backing of its own mercanaries and with US mercanaries (they were hiring Erik Prince and Blackwater not so long ago).

This is a pattern the world has seen before - great powers come and go, meridans and global financial centres have moved before and will move again.

Yes, there has been an uneasy peace of sorts for 75 years or so, do be aware of and prepared for transitions.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by defrost »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #312
defrost wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you explain to whom you believe these two snippets > sounds like the conspiratorial ramblings of someone who desperately wants to seem in the know. > But just ends up looking like a moron. are tangentially directed towards ? Do you believe that these are aligned with the HN guidelines?

I am not saying that they are aligned with HN guidelines but I am saying that their core message was still valid (although I agree that perhaps it was written in bad way) & they don't really fit the ideal HN guidelines I agree with you and want to say that we shouldn't call people morons for voting for trump (unless they are voting because of their biases towards a particular race in which we can agree that that's ba…

My best advice would be to heed the guidelines and make the best case you can for whatever opinion you have without sliding into snark.

That frees me from having to choose between [flagging] and [dead]'ing your comments or reminding you of the guidelines.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by cudgy »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #310
cudgy wrote: post #282

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So throw caution to the wind because a country (not your country) with 100,000 people are stressed out about geopolitics and possibly being acquired by the richest nation in the world?

> “throw caution to the wind” Would you say the US government is acting with “caution” regarding a country (not their country) of 57,000 “stressed-out” people who don’t want to be acquired ?

The president isn’t, but what does that have to do with your decisions?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by cudgy »

anal_reactor wrote: post #300
cudgy wrote: post #281

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Seems you forgot about these things called nuclear missiles.

No I didn't. Nuclear missles are only relevant when the existence of the country itself is at stake. But when the war is at the edges of the country, then losing territory is preferable over nuclear war. Think about it - in case shit hits the fan, would you rather cede some territory like Alaska or Guam, or would you start nuclear war which results in complete annihilation of all major US cities?

Russians will just sit back and let China and EU take their territory with no response? Seems like you forgot about the nukes.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by slfreference »

paxys wrote: post #54

See the recent news about Canada strengthening economic ties with China and welcoming them into their auto market. This wouldn’t have happened in a million years had it not been for US tariffs and hostilities towards Canada. America is truly uniting the world (against them).

Whitelands or Anglosphere will always be cooperating and coordinating because blood is thicker than water. So all these developments of Canada moving closer to China are superficial. When push comes to shove, the real affinities or allegiances will be revealed, ie the anglosphere will stick together.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by cudgy »

padjo wrote: post #313
cudgy wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. Greenland has been an issue all the way back to the times of Seward in 1868.

Why stop there, let’s reconsider the Louisiana Purchase and the War of 1812. Greenland has not been an issue in over 100 years.

Still wrong though.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by padjo »

omnimus wrote: post #273
padjo wrote: post #210

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Campaigning for Trump was useful for Farage when Trump was a fun edgy character that his base liked. This Greenland stuff is deeply unpopular across the entire political spectrum in Europe, there is no way to back selling off a sovereign territory to the US and have a hope of winning an election.

That's the same thing what am i saying. But what do you think Farage would do if he was already in power? Contradict his ally? They would cook up some angle so both of them would get something out of it. Farage is already busy downplaying the situation and steering the discussion away.

You think Denmark is not the US’s ally? They would happily cook up an angle but there is absolutely no world where that angle involves selling Greenland and that appears to be the only result Trump will accept, presumably so he can go down in history as the first President to expand the United States in a long time.
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