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Re: Roam 50GB is now Roam 100GB

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Post by olyjohn »

mikestew wrote: post #111
steffan wrote: post #49

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This is the equivalent of having the previous 50GB base plan and going over by $50 worth of data (an additional 50GB). If you were routinely going 50GB over the 50GB plan, I'd suggest that maybe a 50GB plan wasn't the right plan for you. Under the old plan, 100GB of data would have cost $100. Residential unlimited is $120, so for most users this would seem like an improvement.

That's the thing, we don't regularly go over 50Gb. Probably won't go over 100Gb, either. But if we do, it's either slow speeds, or pay $165/month for unlimited roam every single month we use it , versus paying a little extra for the few times we go over.

I don't wanna defend Starlink here, but you can do a lot more with the slow speeds than you realize.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

stickfigure wrote: post #227
typon wrote: post #131

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Is this why Google Search has been getting better and better every year?

Not fair - Google Search is under constant and escalating attack. If we replaced current Google Search with the 2000s implementation it would be immediately dominated by spam and SEO hacks. Simple PageRank doesn't work anymore.

DuckDuckGo index is just as good, but page itself isn't a piece of garbage like google. Heck even yahoo search has better ux now.

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Post by olyjohn »

Aurornis wrote: post #203
Neywiny wrote: post #13

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They explicitly say video streaming will be "limited" aka it won't work like you want it to

Zoom works in 500kbps environments in my experience. You won't be in crispy 720p or 1080p, but you can still talk to other people.

I had a shitty DSL line just a couple years ago before Starlink. Maybe 700KBps if I was lucky. Both me and my partner could remotely work on it, run zoom calls at the same time. That said, it is nice to have more bandwidth, but people do vastly overestimate how much they really need.

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Post by olyjohn »

class3shock wrote: post #126

Has anyone used starlink for remoting into a work desktop? If so was the latency bearable?

20ms pings, and I'm on the original gen 1 dish from the beta days still. Can't really tell much difference from a land-based connection. The mini is even faster when it has an equivalent view of the sky.

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Post by danpalmer »

digiown wrote: post #304
danpalmer wrote: post #284

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I'd disagree that that is usable today. A few days ago I had some network trouble that restricted me to about 350kbps, although stable without much packet loss, and a lot of stuff just didn't practically work. At that speed, loading images and resources on webpages within timeout limits is hard. Many web apps don't work, or degrade enough that you wouldn't want to use them. Also what do we actually use the web for? A…

I hope we get LLM browser agents that will convert the web back to that state again. You can get sorta close now with adblockers, various "lite" modes, and unofficial client sites, but it would be nice if it were universal.

This is a separate discussion, but while I agree in general that pages should be less bloated than they are, ads shouldn't burn my CPU, etc, I think it's a sign of progress that the web takes much more bandwidth. 4K video is better than HD, is better than SD, is better than no video. Illustrations improve articles. More client side Javascript tends to mean more interactivity which is often a good thing (not always). The web today does so much more than it did 20 years ago, and we should be proud of that achievement rather than push back on progress by expecting the web to work on a connection from 20 years ago.

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Post by olyjohn »

porkloin wrote: post #146
class3shock wrote: post #126

Has anyone used starlink for remoting into a work desktop? If so was the latency bearable?

I work remotely and use a starlink mini for work and general internet usage since I road trip in the summer a lot. For work I'm not using doing RDP/remote desktop stuff since I have a company-issued laptop, but I have some experience using it to stream graphics-intensive games from my home PC with a nice GPU to my phone with a mobile controller attached to it. I saw around 50-100ms of latency in ideal conditions with…

If you have distinct spikes, you might have an obstruction. You need a much larger view of the sky to the north to completely get rid of that. If the connection is perfect, you should get consistent 20ms pings all day long. But it is really difficult to do, especially when traveling and you don't have control of where you can actually put the dish.

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Post by gregsadetsky »

kalleboo wrote: post #310
gregsadetsky wrote: post #30

I had a “hit” post on bsky [0] (90 likes, big numbers for me) asking whether people would want an unlimited mobile plan throttled at 256kbps for $2/month. Seems like yes? There’s lots to say about how useable it is (I often get throttled when traveling and it’s really not that bad + it helps curb any desire to scroll videos!) But mainly I want to ask - I looked into it for a minute and it seems like you couldn’t star…

In Japan you have consumer (with voice) plans for Unlimited 32kbps $1.60/mo (I guess this makes more sense for IoT?) Unlimited 300kbps $4/mo Unlimited 1.5Mbps $6/mo https://mineo.jp/price/#mysoku

Those are dreamy! But also, Japan has incredible density.

I was imagining a no-support, pure esim play. I mean. Even calling it brainstorming is an exaggeration haha

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Post by talkingtab »

mattmaroon wrote: post #56
talkingtab wrote: post #33

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This resonates for me. I do not want my technology tied to some person I consider of despicable character. Would I buy a cell phone, even at a good deal from Putin? No. Corporations have increasingly become political. Thanks, United vs FEC! So we see them taking a knee to gain commercial advantage. And as in this case harm to our democracy. In my opinion, no discussion about Starlink is complete without considering w…

I’m always amazed how much people attribute to citizens united, a ruling that overturned portions of a law that was only on the books for 7 years at the time.

Hmmm. The ruling had a far greater impact than simply that law. It established that corporations have the same right to free speech that ordinary citizens do as a general principle.

What is the result. We now have a situation where a candidate cannot be elected without a large amount of funding. You will need to either be a billionaire or a corporate toady to get elected. Who is the elected official beholden to? What does the elected official have to do to improve their chances of re-election? Do better by the voters do better by the corporation. This is simple logic.

Added to that you have corporations and the rich controlling the media. Murdoch, Bezos, Musk. If the common citizens want to have a living wage be the minimum, Jeff Bezos does not. How willing is the Washington Post to raise the banner of changing the US minimum wage? This is a rhetorical question as the answer is obvious.

And any media that are not outright owned by the greed afflicted, most media receive a substantial part of their income from advertising, they are also not beholden to common citizens. The New York Times wants to appeal to the rich because that is the market for their advertisers. That is why you see stories in the NYT about "How much second vacation home will two million buy you in Maine". And that is why you do not see stories about "How much hovel will minimum wage buy you in Maine".

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Post by nubg »

Salgat wrote: post #139
consumer451 wrote: post #90

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> I'm actually a huge fan of "unlimited slow speeds" as a falloff, instead of a cliff. When on cellular, I like to call that "HN-only mode." It is one of the few web properties that is entirely usable at 2G speeds.

I would kill for a web renaissance to return to this format of webpages, as least as an option. Not only loading improves, but also navigation and accessibility.

One more realistic option could be to have an "LLM browsing proxy" where you chat with an LLM via text, and it does the browsing and parsing and extracting, with links etc.
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