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BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

roadbuster wrote: post #283
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American oligarchs won't put up with any competition.

It has less to do with "oligarchs" and more to do with protectionism over domestic industry: retain jobs in America, preserve worker income taxes revenue, capture taxation of corporate profits, tilt the scales in favour of an American business becoming a global exporter of their products, keep development of high-tech assets under American regulatory control.

I'd expect all the free-market capitalists and libertarians to make a lot of noise against government interference, even if the purpose is to retain domestic jobs.

Re: BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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Post by burnt-resistor »

So is this true, or only true for Australian markets? I've seen (presumably real from reputable sellers) BYD cars on AliBaba for $9500 USD. Not US or probably even EU homologation, but vehicles that could be used off-road or in remote areas elsewhere.

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Post by dham »

cyberax wrote: post #305
dham wrote: post #261

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> FSD has been "really good since VVV" These are influencers who have a stake in Tesla. The general consensus from the regular users is that it is really good starting at FSD 14. It's the first version that finally feels complete. I have 5000 miles on FSD 14 with no disengagements. 99% of my driving is FSD. I couldn't say that for any other version. Even my wife has 85% of her driving on FSD and she hated it before.…

> These are influencers who have a stake in Tesla. I've seen it on multiple forums. Just like a broken record. > If it's never been cleaned from the inside, it's a good chance it's not. The camera is clean. I can see that on the dashcam records. And if the system is so fragile that a bit of dust kills it, then it's not good. The issue with the red-hands-of-death is caused by the forward collision warning, the road th…

> The camera is clean. I can see that on the dashcam records.

You won't see it unless you shine light into it.

> And if the system is so fragile that a bit of dust kills it, then it's not good.

It's not dust, it's fog on the inside of the windshield from offgassing.

> The issue with the red-hands-of-death is caused by the forward collision warning, the road there curves and slopes up, so the car gets confused and interprets the car in front as if it's on a collision course

Of fair enough. I've never seen this, and I used FSD (14) all through the Appalachian mountains.

> FSD got better than it was 4 years ago. But it's still _nowhere_ near Waymo

Fair enough, but FSD is still years ahead of any other system you can buy as a consumer.

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Post by rafabulsing »

wolvoleo wrote: post #257
rafabulsing wrote: post #126

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I'm not a self-driving believer (never had the opportunity to try it, actually), but I'd say bad traffic would be the number one case where I'd want it. I don't mind highway driving, or city driving if traffic is good, but stop and go traffic is torture to me. I'd much rather just be on my phone, or read a book or something. Agreed that public transportation is usually the best option in either case, though.

To me any kind of driving is torture. I don't want the responsibility, the risk, the chance of fines if I miss a speed sign somewhere. And if my car could self drive I could spend the time usefully instead of wasting it on driving. It would be amazing. Right now I don't even have a car but for getting around outside of the city it's difficult sometimes.

Yeah, I feel ya. I don't mind it, but I'm far from loving it. What particularly stresses me out is how I can be screwed even doing everything correctly, if someone else screws up.

All reasons why I think public transit is the better solution over self driving cars. They're generally much safer, and also you get to do something while you're on the go. Pretty nifty, I think.

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Post by machomaster »

ben_w wrote: post #286
machomaster wrote: post #281

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These are marginal numbers. This would make AI worse than the safe driver. The benefits of self-driving should be inrefutable before requiring it. At least x10 better than human drivers.

The AI's benefits should be irrefutable, but this isn't as simple as "at least x10 better than human drivers", or any fixed factor, it's that whatever mistakes they do make, if you show the video of a crash to the general public, the public generally agrees they'd have also crashed under those conditions. Right now… Tesla likes to show off stats that suggest accidents go down while their software is active, but then…

x10 improvement is the minimum bar after which a conversation can start. We should not even have a conversation until this threshold is reached.

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Post by senti_sentient »

wtcactus wrote: post #302
senti_sentient wrote: post #298

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Chinese cars have come a long way, most of them have better quality than any European maker. And almost of them come with very long warranty periods as well. Go take a test drive in one to find out what you been missing out on.

> Chinese cars have come a long way, most of them have better quality than any European maker. That's just not true. They absolutely don't. There's no chance in hell most (or any for that matter) Chinese carmaker has better quality than a Volvo, or a BMW, or a Mercedes or an Audi, or, etc, etc

Feel free to live in your cocoon, I have owned several euro cars, including e36 m3. Now own BYD Dolphin and Shark, the European car industry is history mate.

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Post by VerifiedReports »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #271
VerifiedReports wrote: post #142

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Apparently it IS still a legal conundrum: https://www.motortrend.com/news/who-gets-a-ticket-when-a-way... And will continue to be until every municipality implements laws about it.

> it IS still a legal conundrum It’s not a conundrum as much as an implementation detail. We’ve decided to hold Waymo accountable. We’re just ticking the boxes around doing that (none of which involve confusion around Waymo being responsible).

So how many violations before Waymo's driver's license is suspended?

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Post by VerifiedReports »

SideQuark wrote: post #259
VerifiedReports wrote: post #125

How do we know that all these lasers aren't harming people's eyes?

Because we have science. Laser frequency, power, and pulse length, among other things, are chosen to be eye safe. You’ll get far more energy dumped into your eye from a blue sky.

Do you have the science?
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