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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by derf_ »

spikej wrote: post #36
epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

I do not know anything about this team, but I worked with a team before that migrated from a native app to an Electron-based version. It was worse in literally every way except one: the developers on that team preferred developing that way. Nothing else mattered.

The kind of developers who are willing to work with native GUI APIs (even though a framework) simply don't exist in enough quantity anymore.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by spwa4 »

dmitrygr wrote: post #279
spwa4 wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a derive.exe from 1996 that I still use. TI's calculator, as an incredibly fast windows app that's like 20% of wolframalpha. And to think on all "modern" OSes you can't even do that. Neither Android nor IOS let you do this in any way shape or form. Even with portable webapps it doesn't work, as webapps go offline. And microsoft clearly wants to create this situation too (last brute force attempt was windows ho…

https://dmitry.gr/89 you can also "add to homescreen" on iOS/android and it acts like a native app & works offline. symbolic math - computer algebra system, integration/differentiation, finance app in rom, 3d graphs. (emu is not my work, i only packaged it for PWA and host it for myself to use, but you are welcome to as well)

Sure (and thanks for the link, do you have a TI-82 as well?) but it won't "last". You'll take the site offline, sooner or later and I can't just store an exe locally and use it in 20 years. I'll lose the ability to install it on phones.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dataflow »

Spivak wrote: post #310
arcanemachiner wrote: post #196

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Google "windows 11 debloat reddit". There are several tools: - https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat (recommended elsewhere in this thread) - https://christitus.com/windows-tool/ (I used this one a couple weeks ago, seems to work well) But seriously though, learn to fish. The answers aren't hard to find if you look, know what to search for, and are at least somewhat discriminating in your investigation.

I say go one step further and learn to fish harder and don't use any of these scripts. I can't even imagine trying to debug an issue on my machine after running one of these "makes arbitrary changes" scripts. Do it all manually if for no other reason than you know all the changes you made and know where all the different settings actually are.

Indeed... I've made all the changes I want manually, and a lot of them aren't even things any of these scripts do anyway.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by Spivak »

adabyron wrote: post #116

Maybe some Microsoft Devs can publish a book about all the secret regedit hacks they use to make it function for themselves. I think Dave Plummer or another Msft vet mentioned you can remove hibernate & get 25GB back on your hard drive.

Well yeah it's basically Windows' version of a swap partition where they can dump the OS state when hibernating.

You can get even more of your hard drive back by limiting the size of Windows' page file.

I'm actually a big fan of hibernation on laptops and have mine set to suspend for 5 minutes then hibernate. My real life usage battery life has been noticeably longer with this setup.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by inquirerGeneral »

pxoe wrote: post #232
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

What does notepad have to do with web based apps? case in what point? New Notepad in 11, with tabs and autosave (and dark mode), is so much better and more practical to use over old one, it just stays open all the time and become my main notetaking pick. It may take a beat to open a big file (1+ mb) with line wrapping, but it's pretty much just as fast as anything (and may be even faster than some other editors). It'…

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by inquirerGeneral »

laughing_man wrote: post #264
kryogen1c wrote: post #55

The fact that, on expensive hardware, I can hit windows+r and start typing before the run box renders/loads is staggering, it beggars belief. Im generally a microsoft shill, but theyre really on the down hill slope. windows 11 is truly a masterpiece of changes no one asked for or wants, Teams is the least reliable piece of business software I've ever seen. New outlook does not have feature parity with old outlook and…

The ads in the start menu and the notifications were the last straw for me.

I have yet to this day and Windows 10 or 11 ever to see an advertisement like people talk about.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by ivm »

runako wrote: post #274
api wrote: post #83

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The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

This is directionally not totally off-base, but: > it's hard to hire native UI developers This is the pool of mobile devs. If Microsoft is unwilling to eat the lead time (measured in weeks) for an existing native mobile dev to become productive on their stack, that's a sign of much bigger organizational problems.

Yup, coming from iOS and Android, I learned most of WinUI in two weeks, even before LLMs. GUI frameworks are largely similar, so there’s no real justification for reimplementing single-platform applications with HTML.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by ivm »

mhjkl wrote: post #260
api wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

The reason is that the web empire is just better at operating systems than Microsoft. If they just had less bad development tools for native UI this would not be a problem. Look at what Google does with Android, or Apple.

WinUI 3 was pretty decent even back in 2021, and much easier to learn than the clusterfuck of Android SDK.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by epolanski »

doodlesdev wrote: post #47
epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

Why would you go for a random Linux distribution backed by DHH (a Ruby developer) instead of a established upstream distribution such as Debian or Fedora?

As stated before, because my colleagues which whom I share the same projects and test cases made the jump from MacOS and are all liking it so far, I also like what I saw till now.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by nineteen999 »

HPsquared wrote: post #175
ada0000 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft has the resources to train people.

But does any junior want to learn C++ Win32? You want to learn something that leads to a long-term career development path, not a sunsetting technology.

The delulu who think C/C++ is "sunsetting". Hilarious.
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