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Can I start using Wayland in 2026?

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Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?

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> The problems you have with one of them might not appear in another. Because both have their own portal implementation/compositor with their own issues and service spec implementations. KDE has xdg-desktop-portal-kde, and GNOME has xdg-desktop-portal-gnome. On top of that each (still) has their own display server; KDE has KWin, and GNOME has Mutter. > The reference compositor, Weston, is not really usable as a daily…

The fact that we need the entire xdg-desktop-portal stack for screen sharing on browsers is a major annoyance. We now have a standardised extension for screencasting and screencopy (formerly it was not standard, but had been around for years), but browsers only support the Flatpak stack, which has a lot of moving parts and IPC. Doing out-of-band IPC for this is kind of pointless when the client and the server already…

What is the flatpak stack? Even unsandboxed apps use the portals.

Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?

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> Windows and Mac Os, for all their faults, are unquestionably ready to use in 2026. LOL I installed a new windows 11 yesterday on a fairly powerful machine, everything lags so much on a brand new install it's unreal. Explorer takes ~2-3 seconds to be useable. Any app that opens in the blink of an eye under Linux on the same machine takes seconds to start. Start menu lags. It's just surrealistic. People who say these…

I am not sure how people get all these issues. I installed fresh windows recently, and I don't see noticable any slowdowns. Linux is faster in some places, maybe. But still with many issues like some applications not being drawn properly or just some applications not available (nice GUI for monitor control over ddc)

Same for Xorg. And Wayland, really. No idea how people get so many issues. Just change distro, or DE, in the end of the day, it doesn't take long. Small changes make small differences.

Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?

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I was incredibly disappointed when my KDE updated and force removed X11. I happened to be in the middle of a very delicate operation configuring X to do something that Wayland can't. Reboot and the entire system is fucked. Great, thanks.

Now all my computers are worse, and there's absolutely nothing I can do.

At least it's better than Windows I guess.

Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?

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I seem to remember reading in an old paper (1990s?) that the asynchronous nature of the connection between the X server and the window manager results in essentially unfixable protocol-level races.

I covered that in the X-Windows Disaster chapter of the Unix Haters handbook, and many HN posts, and other articles. So it's quite disappointing and underwhelming that Wayland failed to learn or apply any of these lessons. All this stuff was widely discussed long before Wayland was designed in reaction to X11, without considering any alternatives than Windows and Mac. https://donhopkins.medium.com/the-x-windows-disas…

I just wanted to say thanks - I read the unix-hater's handbook about 15 years ago and it taught me a LOT, maybe even changed my life. The chapter on X was particularly memorable and entertaining. Thanks!

Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?

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I just thought I'd summarise this article for anybody who doesn't have the time to read the whole thing:

No. Wayland still has hilariously terrible bugs and can't adequately do very basic things we have been doing for ~30 years on X, even in 2026, and because it's not compatible with anything it requires ditching all your stable, well-tested, solid software that you've been using for decades to replace it with incompatible software that doesn't work half the time.

To summarise the summary: it's in pretty much the same place as it was in 2025. And 2020. And 2016.

Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?

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Can anyone recommend an autoclicker they actively use on Wayland? I've been using ydotool but the daemon service is janky (fails to startup/shutdown frequently, also had issues where half my inputs don't work while it's running)

I use theclicker(https://crates.io/crates/theclicker), it wraps your mouse as a new mouse (you will need to set sentivity in settings for the new mouse). I can get 40CPS and mainly use it in idle games

It works nicely for me but as it uses /dev/input/eventX i don't know if it's consistent across reboots for hardcoded scripts (although so far it worked without issues)

Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?

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The right way to handle high DPI is at the GUI toolkit level. Scaling in the compositor is just a dirty fix for legacy apps.

Still waiting for that one, meanwhile in Wayland land, everything just works.

Are your sure GTK+ or the EFL (enlightenment) or etc do not handle properly DPI based rendering?

Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?

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> Windows and Mac Os, for all their faults, are unquestionably ready to use in 2026. LOL I installed a new windows 11 yesterday on a fairly powerful machine, everything lags so much on a brand new install it's unreal. Explorer takes ~2-3 seconds to be useable. Any app that opens in the blink of an eye under Linux on the same machine takes seconds to start. Start menu lags. It's just surrealistic. People who say these…

I am not sure how people get all these issues. I installed fresh windows recently, and I don't see noticable any slowdowns. Linux is faster in some places, maybe. But still with many issues like some applications not being drawn properly or just some applications not available (nice GUI for monitor control over ddc)

> I am not sure how people get all these issues. I installed fresh windows recently, and I don't see noticable any slowdowns.

I want to see a screen + sound / video recording.

Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?

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I must say: 1) Hugely enjoyable content - as usual - by Michael Stapelberg: relevant, detailed, organized, well written. 2) I am also an X11 + i3 user (and huge thanks to Michael for writing i3, I'm soooo fast with it), I also keep trying wayland on a regular basis because I don't want to get stuck using deprecated software. I am very, very happy to read this article, if only because it proves I'm not the only one an…

You are totally free to work on whatever you want to. You don't have to use the software that the Wayland devs (and other developers that like Wayland) produces. You can use and code whatever you want.

Oh good! This is great news!

So you've managed to get redhat to commit to continue to package an X server, then? I'm impressed by this achievement and send my thanks for your efforts - they've been trying to drop it for a while now, it's only wayland's continuing status as unusable vapourware that stops them.

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