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I'm returning my Framework 16

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Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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> hardware has usually advanced far enough That's not what we're experiencing. Screens have seen improvements, but not in a significant way within these 4-6 years. Keyboards haven't improved leaps and bounds. Track pads either. Laptop casings haven't seen innovation either. The only thing that significantly changes is the motherboard, which is not nothing, but replacing it independently makes sense to me. > port modu…

The modules are just inset usb-c dongles. Handy that you can have them fully encased but there’s nothing really limiting any other laptop on this front. You just use an external dongle and have the same flexibility. Maybe some people really want the enclosed module so they have fewer things to carry, but that’s a pretty small advantage that I’m not sure many people will value. I could get something like this ( https:…

In wish I could have lived for a month or two with the Framework system to get a better feeling of it.

I'm usually either docked at my primary desk and only need a single USB-C, or moving from place to place and need 2 USB-A and a full size SD reader. I imagine the nice part with the insets is they're flushed so they'less surface to hit when moving the machine around.

I'd actually love to make my own insets that bakes the wireless dongles in them, that sounds doable.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Author doesn't cite how they decided that only MacBook or Framework would fit their needs. I've never had trouble with Dell laptops with any Linux distro I cared about. If I wanted a powerful Linux laptop, I'd probably look at something like Dell's premium model: https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/laptops-ultrabooks/dell-16-p...

Dell build quality and longevity vary wildly.

My XPS 15 had a host of issues, all of which occurred commmonly but weren’t knowable at the time of purchase since it was early.

1. Battery swelling which wrecks the touchpad

2. Sleep issues so it would turn into a furnace in a backpack

3. Screen and keys randomly stops responding

4. Creaky body

5. Screen gets weird temporary burn in.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Please don't trigger my Dell PTSD. This is garbage tier hardware designed to harass employees.

If your company demands/keeps buying the shittiest, cheapest plastic Dell laptops instead of XPSes or higher end Latitudes/Precisions, that's not Dell's fault. My company uses XPSes and Precisions. They work great.

XPS are pretty mediocre build quality in my experience. Precisions are better.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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What's is the deal with Linux and suspend? It seems only a select few combinations of hardware and software can handle suspend and resume. AMD is commonly praised for their Linux drivers but my all-AMD system crumbles down on power state transitions and especially suspend-resume. I never though words "data", "fabric", "sync" and "flood" can be used together, but now they are a common sight in my logs.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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post #303

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The modules are just inset usb-c dongles. Handy that you can have them fully encased but there’s nothing really limiting any other laptop on this front. You just use an external dongle and have the same flexibility. Maybe some people really want the enclosed module so they have fewer things to carry, but that’s a pretty small advantage that I’m not sure many people will value. I could get something like this ( https:…

In wish I could have lived for a month or two with the Framework system to get a better feeling of it. I'm usually either docked at my primary desk and only need a single USB-C, or moving from place to place and need 2 USB-A and a full size SD reader. I imagine the nice part with the insets is they're flushed so they'less surface to hit when moving the machine around. I'd actually love to make my own insets that bake…

If you have a 3D printer you can print enclosures https://www.printables.com/model/139879-framework-laptop-exp...

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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I appreciate the authors thoughtful review here, but I can’t help but be frustrated by the constant lack of understanding of the core value proposition of framework both in this post and in many comments here on hn. Frequently the author brings up that for 2,000 euros they expect a premium experience, but no where is there an evaluation of the value granted by upgradability and repeatability of the machine, and only…

Happy Framework 13 user here to say this. I recently realized the 32Gb I had originally spec'd isn't enough for work lately. Easy fix, I just ordered more RAM. Pretty straightforward value prop here. If that's not why you want, buy a different device.

You can do this on virtually every non-soldered laptop why is this presented as some unique feature?

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Flex & build issues. Only 8h battery life. Display issues. Suspend issues. Trackpad issues. Speaker issues. Yup, and this is why you jut buy a MacBook. Sorry but there simply is no “option b” for laptop hardware quality.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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I dual boot Asahi and Mac OS X on my Macbook Air, and haven't had any problems with suspend. IMO the two biggest problems are lack of USB-C display output (although this is less of a problem with the Macbook Pro since you can use HDMI) and having to deal with x86 emulation (inherent to an ARM laptop). It seems like he's looking for a PC laptop with Apple build quality and display quality, and there definitely aren't…

It makes me wonder, does Apple have some insane patent on unibody construction? The pre-Retina unibody MacBook Pros were easily upgradable and very solid. They had a ton of room in the chassis, and hell, the first year of them the battery was toollessly removable. Aside from the keyboard and the screen, it was all latches and a few common Phillips #00's.

Why have no manufacturers copied this obviously great construction technique? It's not like a Framework is wildly cheaper than a MacBook, we're already paying a premium, so the costs of subtractive CNC can't be it.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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I feel ya on the PCIe slot. And the on-board NICs are sub-par Realtek garbage, unacceptable both on features and quality. However, you can fit a small SFP+ card inside if you (a) cut out a correctly shaped hole in your case, and (b) turn the fan on at 40% instead of letting it turn off. The card will sit at a small angle but work fine, and with some 3D printing I even got a mounting bracket in to keep it stable. A lo…

Yeah, I was thinking of running a Occulink connector to the side of the case, the problem is that this would need a riser, and I don't think that occulink - even with a redriver, would do well with two additional physical connectors. On the 5GB realtek - i think their 5G is far better then their 1g or 2.5g devices where.

It may appear to work, but it uses a lot more CPU than a decent 10G network card, despite being half the speed. I shudder to think what their 2.5G must've been if this is better.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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TL;dr Framework isn't worth the price. If you put it apples to apples with a great product like the M1, Framework loses everywhere. I had the same conclusion after daily driving both for 2 years; until yesterday, when my water bottle opened in my backpack and soaked them. When I got home, I ripped apart my Framework and dried each piece. I left the M1 by my heater and tried to dry it out. This morning, I put the Fram…

1 day is way too little time. make sure the room’s humidity is low, and consider unscrewing the back part of the body to let it dry more quickly.

I’d try again in 2-3 days. Water doesn’t leave any (or much) residue after it dries. Unlike other drinks.

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