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Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by NeutralCrane »

thatswrong0 wrote: post #292
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #12

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> rightfully criticised because it steals from artists. Generative AI for source code learns from developers The double standard here is too much. Notice how one is stealing while the other is learning from? How are diffusion models not "learning from all the previous art"? It's literally the same concept. The art generated is not a 1-1 copy in any way.

> The art generated is not a 1-1 copy in any way. Yeah right. AI art models can and have been used to basically copy any artist’s style many ways that make the original actual artist’s hard work and effort in honing their craft irrelevant. Who profits? Some tech company. Who loses? The artists who now have to compete with an impossibly cheap copy of their own work. This is theft at a massive scale. We are forcing cou…

Copying a style isn’t theft, full stop. You can’t copyright style. As an individual, you wouldn’t be liable for producing a work of art that is similar in style to someone else’s, and there is an enormous number of artists today whose livelihood would be in jeopardy if that was the case.

Concerns about the livelihood of artists or the accumulation of wealth by large tech megacorporations are valid but aren’t rooted in AI. They are rooted in capitalism. Fighting against AI as a technology is foolish. It won’t work, and even if you had a magic wand to make it disappear, the underlying problem remains.

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Post by _23sd »

Gamer social movements always burn bright at first, then die when they demand too much purity to reconcile with the fundamental truths: people want to make games and, when they're good, people want to play them. Trying to stop people from using (even experimenting with!) new tools is doomed, just like the old attempts to boycott games over their business models or their creators' politics/sexuality/whatever.

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Post by NeutralCrane »

hofrogs wrote: post #132
1gn15 wrote: post #130

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Very likely no license can restrict it, since learning is not covered under copyright. Even if you could restrict it, you couldn't add a "no LLMs" clause without violating the free software principles or the OSI definition, since you cannot discriminate in your license.

"Learning" is what humans can do. LLMs can't do that.

“Learning” as a concept is too ill defined to use as a distinction. What is learning? How is what a human does different from what an LLM does?

In the end it doesn’t matter. Here “learning” means observing an existing work and using it to produce something that is not a copy.

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Post by MattRix »

morkalork wrote: post #258
thiht wrote: post #59

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That’s incredibly harsh. A blanket ban on AI generated assets is dumb as hell. Generating placeholder assets is completely acceptable.

Blanket ban on generative AI? Games have been using some form or another every since the days of RTS map generation and perlin noise

That is not the sort of thing people are referring to when they use the term “generative AI”. It’s basically a completely different technology and the ethical concerns around data sourcing and energy usage are not the same at all.

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Post by MattRix »

RealityVoid wrote: post #102
gyomu wrote: post #90

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I don't find it that surprising. The creatives that are against generative AI aren't against it only because it produces slop. They are against it because it uses past human creative labor, without permission or compensation, to generate profit for the companies building the models which they do not redistribute to the authors of that creative labor. They are also against it due to environmental impact. In that view,…

They are also against it because they believe it will compete with them and they will get paid less.

That’s also a valid reason to be against it!

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Post by baobun »

culturestate wrote: post #80
mvdtnz wrote: post #77

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It literally is shipping AI generated content in the product.

> It literally is shipping AI generated content in the product. When someone goes three miles per hour over the speed limit they are literally breaking the law, but that doesn’t mean they should get a serious fine for it. Sometimes shit happens.

Sure, but maybe you you shouldn't be surprised to be disqualified from that "Best Drive of the Year" award as you do.

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Post by MattRix »

kryptiskt wrote: post #240
HelloUsername wrote: post #226

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> I would consider myself pretty embedded in the gaming space, and I hadn't heard of the "Indie Game Awards" before yesterday Very curious to hear what channels you follow and how often per week. My RSS feed was spammed by it this and previous years

That was probably The Game Awards[0], which is a big deal. I guess whoever is behind Indie Game Awards sees the name confusion as a feature rather than a bug. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_Awards_2025

I don’t think the name confusion can really be blamed on “The Indie Game Awards”, it has to be on “The Game Awards” for choosing the most generic possible name.

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Post by lostmsu »

jfernandezr wrote: post #28

After the huge impact on the PC gaming community, it's logical to despise AI and ban it from any awards. First cryptocurrencies pumped huge price raises on GPUs, then prices won't return to normal due to AI and now it's impacting RAM prices. Next year a lot of families will struggle to buy a needed computer for their kids' school due to some multibillion techs going all-in.

Compute demand likely improved today's availability and performance of hardware.

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Post by akimbostrawman »

theshrike79 wrote: post #291
Arwill wrote: post #181

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Yes. If you get 120M+ in funding, you no longer qualify to be called indie.

So what would the limit be in your mind? Does it include marketing?

regardless of the definition of the word. i don't think anybody would call a game indie that has tens of millions in production budget, over 300 developer working on it and a movie deal before it was even released.
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