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Average DRAM price in USD over last 18 months

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Re: Average DRAM price in USD over last 18 months

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Actually a plain car would be great I crank the window up and down 3x faster than the little button And I could adjust my damn seat before electricity is available... sigh

I’m glad you want that! But, most people wouldn’t. Also, electric seat adjustments give you way more options than the manual adjustments could. And typically with more precision than the under seat bar with discrete positions.

> But, most people wouldn't.

How do you know?

Re: Average DRAM price in USD over last 18 months

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A lot of the goods won't be essily repurposible for consumer or small business work loads. Imagine if auto manufacturers all refitted their factories and supply chains to produce military vehicles for a war effort. New family cars would run dry, and when the war ended, some folks would figure out make clever use of some surplus military vehicles for street travel and commerce, but most of the surplus would just be sh…

AliExpress has been selling 2010 or whatever Intel xeons in dual socket desktop board kits for gaming. they are fairly affordable and hold up to almost modern games so people that can't afford new gen systems.

These products are fascinating. When I looked at them it seemed like they pulled old chipsets from server boards or maybe they found stock somewhere and then combined them with south bridges from things like Z77 boards. All to make use of obsolete server CPUs that were cheap and available. Amazing and wonderful.

Meanwhile you've got OpenAI buying up all the DRAM and maybe just piling it in a warehouse so no one else can have it or they figure out what to do with it. Microsoft recently said they don't even have a power source to plug the ton of GPUs they just bought into so they're also just sitting around collecting dust. What is even happening?

Re: Average DRAM price in USD over last 18 months

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Maybe it's time we make a simple web page 100KB again? Is there some kind of CDN minification, adblocking and compression service? Maybe even server side rendering of websites? Then a smartphone would work fine with 1GB of RAM and everyone could be happy.

Most people have phones that can handle webpages with 1-5MB JS bundles. Why artificially limit what you can do on the web? Why limit ourselves to 1GB RAM when more resources means tech becomes more useful? Returning to simple webpages is popular idea on HN but it’s like wanting a car with no backup camera and crank windows. If your goal is to have your car be as simple as possible, then sure, but that’s not the case…

I’d argue that in many of these instances, less is far more.

I want my car to just be really good at being a car, reliably get me from A to B. A Bluetooth connection to the stereo system is nice, but I don’t need a freaking 20” phablet right next to my face when I’m driving.

When I go to a website, I’m usually looking for information, to read something. I don’t often want fancy scroll and animations, I just want clear readable text free of distractions.

More and more these two examples seem to be going away, we’re losing the plot of what the point of these things are.

Re: Average DRAM price in USD over last 18 months

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Never gonna happen. Cash has no intrinsic value exccept maybe for use in fire / toiler paper. GPUs while currently inflated in price will always find enough value. Their price might go down 50-75% but never 99%

I've got an S3 VGA adapter to sell you at 25% of list price

They're taking about shorter time scales, the effect on top of the normal obsolescence treadmill.

Re: Average DRAM price in USD over last 18 months

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Hopefully this blows over in a few years and you’re right and I’m just catastrophizing.

One way or another. Either the AI stuff cools off, or the RAM people spin up more fabs.

They already said they aren't going to increase supply, most likely because they think the AI bubble will pop and they'd be stuck holding the bag.

Re: Average DRAM price in USD over last 18 months

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To put this in long term relation. Even current DDR4 3200 DIMM prices are at an all time high. These are 6+ year old chip specs now! I even thought stuff was overpriced four years ago in mid-2021 already, but this is a whole new level. Some sample long term data for those: https://geizhals.eu/?phist=2151624&age=9999

anyone want to buy a 2x16 GB DDR4-3200 kit that only fails memtest86 some of the time?

Sorry but I am looking for reliability. Do you have any stick that fails 100% of the time?

Re: Average DRAM price in USD over last 18 months

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Free GPUs for everyone! Bring a truck!

I honestly can't wait to use used gpus as lego bricks similar to what kids in Weimar republic did with cash

Soon you will bring a wheelbarrow of GPUs to buy a loaf of bread.

Re: Average DRAM price in USD over last 18 months

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> GPUs while currently inflated in price will always find enough value. What is the instrinsic value of one of millions of GPUs, if the world only needs 15-20% of them?

About fifty teraflops. That's the meaning of intrinsic calor - the device can do what it can do, regardless of market conditions. Today it has the value of fifty teraflops, and tomorrow it still does, unless it breaks. However, intrinsic value cannot be measured in dollars.

And yet we're talking about electronics here, they don't have sentimental value and just because compute capacity is unused there are no guarantees that it will be used, even at a per unit cost approaching €0.

I'm sure that farmers during the Great Depression were also consoling themselves with the "intrisinsic caloric value" of their corn.

Re: Average DRAM price in USD over last 18 months

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> What specifically happened in June to set this off? Tariffs implemented by this administration: "Inflation has begun to show the first signs of tariff pass-through," said Ellen Zentner, chief economic strategist at Morgan Stanley Wealth Management. "While services inflation continues to moderate, the acceleration in tariff-exposed goods in June is likely the first of greater price pressures to come. The Fed will wa…

The tariffs are bad, but you're simply wrong here - US tariffs do not affect global prices, it's OpenAI buying up production in advance and cornering the market.

There's a 4 month gap between June and October
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