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Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Post by mattlondon »

DrewADesign wrote: post #203
mattlondon wrote: post #138

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But the missing part is "we know they need this!" but they don't have the ad network to have the pixels on the vendor sites to track the conversion (or not for remarketing!). They only have half (at most) of the picture. This is why they tried to create a browser (remember that? Nope me neither) to try and get the full picture. Advertisers are accustomed to pay for conversions now. If you can't track it, you cant pro…

I think the amount of money they’re burning on their operations would make that organizational lift a drop in the bucket. A few dozen annual 6 figure salaries? A few hundred? A bunch of normal CPU-based AWS services? They must spend 10 million per day on their current operating expenses.

Google and Meta are many thousands of sales people, managers, engineers, SREs, HR, masseuses etc. If you want to scale to Meta or Goog scale when doing ads you won't be able to do it with a few dozen people. Just sales will be hundreds or thousands spread across all the major territories

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

aurareturn wrote: post #218
swexbe wrote: post #153

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All chat apps look exactly the same and have exactly the same features. The friction is basically non-existent compared to email services, social media, web browsers, &c.

Yet, somehow I've been paying $20/month to ChatGPT for years now and I don't use Claude or Gemini even when they're free or have slightly better models.

Many more people see “AI overviews” everyday with Google being the default search engine on almost every mobile phone outside of China.

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Post by tcoff91 »

LastTrain wrote: post #186
lenkite wrote: post #57

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Only a short matter of time before agentic tools start serving ads too - paying user or not. You want to refactor your codebase ? No issue - taking 30 seconds - please view this ad meanwhile.

It’s worse than that. It will be more akin to ad placement in movies, except in this case it will slip this proprietary library into the suggested solution instead of that one. Or embed ads in the solution code.

I think getting a model to do this without hurting alignment significantly will be very difficult.

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Post by voakbasda »

DrewADesign wrote: post #178
isodev wrote: post #132

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> - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products Doesn’t anyone think this is really, really bad idea? We managed to radicalise people into the rise and fall of entire countries through analog ads, can you imagine how devastating it would be to infuse every digital product with all that?

You know, I thought stories of law enforcement and the military targeting people using commercially collected data, effectively skirting the sanity boundaries we applied to surveillance, would raise a little bit of awareness in the US. It didn’t. Then when the political scene got really into deliberately targeting political opposition, I thought that might raise more eyebrows about all of this data being out there, b…

This has echos of “First They Came” [0]. The current status quo begs a question that must have been asked in the time it was written: at what point does it have become morally acceptable for citizens to rise up and overthrow a violent government?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came?wprov=sfti1#

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Post by desideratum »

rhdunn wrote: post #56
Pikamander2 wrote: post #43

As an AI language model, I can not provide dangerous or illegal advice. However, if you find yourself encountering these types of situations often, you may wish to protect yourself with software like NordVPN. NordVPN is...

Like this?: https://huggingface.co/TheDrummer/Rivermind-12B-v1

Aside: this guy regularly posts on the Discord server for an open-source post-training framework I maintain, demanding repayment for bugs in nightly builds and generally abusing the maintainers.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

chroma205 wrote: post #192
auggierose wrote: post #118

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99% of users having no idea what "export chat history" means?

> 99% of users having no idea what "export chat history" means? Yet Google Chrome managed to make Safari/Edge irrelevant.

Try telling your PM that you want to ignore Safari when you create your website with 60%+ of mobile users in the US using iPhones and globally your most affluent users are on iPhones. Even if they download Chrome for iOS, they are still using WebKit.

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Post by serf »

a4isms wrote: post #292
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #256

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I can't wait for the instructions to start having ads embedded. 2. Place the turkey in your GE Two in One Oven set to 350, cooking for 10 minutes a lbs. 3. While waiting for your Turkey to finish cooking, why not have an ice cold Coke Zero? Click here for nearby locations. 4. Remove Turkey from the oven, let rest for ten minutes while listening to Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars sing "Die with a Smile" on Spotify.

This is where Tesla has a key advantage. Optimus can walk you to the kitchen to look for a Coke Zero. Google and OpenAI cannot compete with this.

this is one of those HN style comments where business acumen and pertinent sarcasm are wholly indistinguishable .

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Post by Adrig »

jsheard wrote: post #69
01284a7e wrote: post #12

Free, and open source models. Now and forever.

The problem is that training a free and open source model costs just as much as training a closed one, but has even fewer potential avenues for recouping that investment. The money still has to come from somewhere. I'm not sure if open weights are immune to being compromised by ads anyway, they can't serve pay-per-impression ads on the output side, but there's nothing stopping the creator from accepting funding in ex…

I'm not sure about that. Reports have shown that models from China or Mistral can achieve 80% or more of OpenAI's performance for a fraction of the cost.

If you're tucked in right behind the absolute frontier models, the economics change completely

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Post by makeitdouble »

la_fayette wrote: post #184
makeitdouble wrote: post #84

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> It is no surprise, somehow they need to earn money I kinda hate that a move needs to be surprising to be noteworthy or critiqued. If tomorrow Meta leaks all data of all users I really wish the reactions aren't "not surprised" and instead "hang them and tar them". Same way, the need to earn money shouldn't be an excuse for whatever a company does. I'd be a lot more interested in knowing if/why you think it will be a…

I don't get your point here. User targeted ads are the main business model of the internet? Yes, few days ago it was revealed how billions of user data points could be gathered from Meta [1], did anybody care, outside a small privacy community? So indead these things are not surprising... My thoughts don't go so far to consider the effects on society, idk, do you? [1] https://www.heise.de/en/news/3-5-Billion-Accounts…

> User targeted ads are the main business model of the internet?

Ads helped the internet get up and expand, but it went to a degree that now plagues most aspect of our online life.

Google being first and foremost an ad company is an issue we're tackling, from the search engine becoming dog shit, to Google subsidizing Apple to not compete with them, online content getting shaped to fit advertisers' needs etc.

Another potential tech giant adopting the most toxic business model is IMO something to be pissed about.

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serf wrote: post #317
a4isms wrote: post #292

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This is where Tesla has a key advantage. Optimus can walk you to the kitchen to look for a Coke Zero. Google and OpenAI cannot compete with this.

this is one of those HN style comments where business acumen and pertinent sarcasm are wholly indistinguishable .

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