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Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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post #272

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Understandable, I never finished Lord of the Flies despite not having a smartphone at the time.

Lord of the Flies is a short book telling a simple story in which lots of very identifiable stuff actually happens. It’s not exactly Ulysses. Sixteen year olds used to routinely read more complex works of fiction for fun .

I might have been more interested if there was some complexity.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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post #254

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Sports gambling is astoundingly popular for teen boys. Already the prevalence of zero sum games like crypto and day trading was getting to be too trendy for teenagers, and this shit just supercharges it.

Isn't that actually illegal in most jurisdictions? But the betting companies seem to have effectively bribed legislatures in the past couple of decades.

Yep. But there are workarounds where they call it a sweepstakes, or the kids are just using an account tied to someone else.

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It's so insane that they let things go this far. It could have been immediately obvious to those involved that cell phones in class would have immensely negative effects. I mean they talk about a lunch room "quiet enough to hear a pin drop"?? I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school. That time period is probably more important than any of the classes themselves.

Here's a couple of arguments I had to deal with whilst expressing my support for electronics ban at schools including a blanket social media ban: 1) "Since when do we consider it OK for the government to intervene between the parents and their children and telling them whats good and whats not? They know best." 2) "Whoever does not want to use electronics at school grounds are free to do so who are we to constrain th…

You should have to deal with these arguments, as should anyone else who is in a similar position to you advocating for an institution to ban something for other people.

I will not say that some kind of electronic use ban at schools is necessarily bad, but someone proposing such a ban should absolutely have answers at hand to these reasonable counter-arguments.

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Pretty simple really, we're basically all [1] addicted to smartphones, so we basically all [1] advocated for this. After all, to admit it was a problem for our kids, we'd have to also admit it could be a problem for ourselves. Even I find myself holding onto my phone during most of the day when not on my computer, I don't even know why. It's an incredibly addictive piece of technology. [1] - to a first order of appro…

Did we ever allow the students to smoke in the classroom?

In the 1970s some "Vocational" High Schools allowed it (if the students were past the legal age).

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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post #91

It's so insane that they let things go this far. It could have been immediately obvious to those involved that cell phones in class would have immensely negative effects. I mean they talk about a lunch room "quiet enough to hear a pin drop"?? I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school. That time period is probably more important than any of the classes themselves.

Yes, but were there any academically peer-reviewed studies to prove it with data?

How could they have ever known? /s

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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post #293

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What's missing from the initial comparison is the fact that smartphones opened up all sorts of conveniences, which is partly what makes them so addictive. Rock music, D&D, etc, these other things that were crusaded against offered no convenience for all, so a conservative mind saw no value in it and attacked it as something that warps or rots young brains. Smartphones obviously do that and worse, but because they off…

HA I think I still have dope wars on my old college TI-84. Thanks for the blast of nostalgia!

Came to comment “Ours were banned because we wrote scripts to show ‘MEMORY CLEARED’ before exams, and played Pokémon on the motherfucker”.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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post #230

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Did we ever allow the students to smoke in the classroom?

We allowed teachers to smoke in the classroom, so in some sense..

Teacher gets the lion’s share of the nicotine, kids get all of the rest, essentially.

Raw deal.

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Yes, people do all sorts of nasty and cruel things because they think it's kinda amusing. That doesn't justify the behavior. The act of riding a bicycle in and of itself is not "preachy". That happens. "six bicyclists training for a road race were run over by a 16-year-old who was rolling coal", at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal . Rolling coal nearly always implies deliberate intent, not coincidental timi…

Your reply is exactly the preachy response that causes people to be defiant and resentful. > Yes, people do all sorts of nasty and cruel things because they think it's kinda amusing. That doesn't justify the behavior. Blowing a bit of soot up in the air isn't in itself cruel. It is just a bit naughty. Now doing it in someone's face like I've seen in videos deliberately is not very nice and can be dangerous. I think i…

Define "preachy". Are you sure you aren't the one preaching the fun of burning coal and annoying people under the banner of "can't you take a joke"?

> Who said anything about riding a bicycle is preachy?

People burn coal while passing cyclists. Why? You yourself say that not all cyclists are preachy.

> In my case it was

Your accidental and short release of dark exhaust caused by driving an old vehicle does not fit the definition of burning coal. City busses where I lived in the 1980s emitted a lot of exhaust. That was simply bad emissions control, not rolling coal.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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post #91

It's so insane that they let things go this far. It could have been immediately obvious to those involved that cell phones in class would have immensely negative effects. I mean they talk about a lunch room "quiet enough to hear a pin drop"?? I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school. That time period is probably more important than any of the classes themselves.

A lot of teachers (particularly, but not exclusively, younger teachers) are uncomfortable being strict with students, and especially teenagers. The local High Schools recently banned having phones during class (each room had a pigeon-hole style place for each student to put their phone), but enforcement is poor.

At least some of this is poor support for teacher's enforcement by the administration (I have been told that teachers are not allowed to kick students out of class for having their phones).

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