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Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by atoav »

maples37 wrote: post #248
atoav wrote: post #179

As someone who has hosted a few Nextcloud instances for a few years: Nextcloud can be quick if you make it work. If you want to get a good feel for how it can be rent a Hetzner storage box (1TB for below 5 Euros a month). You sadly can't just install nextcloud on your vanilla server and expect it to perform well.

Do you have any tips and tricks to share? I'm running a self-hosted instance on an old desktop PC in my basement for me and a couple family members. Performance is kinda meh, and I don't think it's due to resource constraints on the server itself. This is after following the performance recommendations in the admin console to tweak php.ini settings.

Thie was a few years ago so I can't say I exsctly remember, but thinking about PHP performance is certainly one of the good routes to think about.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by janikvonrotz »

Most people here seem to have experienced a Nextcloud version from 3 years ago.

In version 31 the frontend has been rewritten in Vue and with Nextcloud Office aka Collabora Online you get much more than a shitty GDocs.

Of course some apps like the calendar have not been rewritten.

Most readers do not understand what it takes to rewrite the frontend for an entire ecosystem.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by exe34 »

dns_snek wrote: post #273
exe34 wrote: post #240

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how many thousands? I have a folder with a total of 12760 files spread within several folders, but the largest I think is the one with 3827 files. I've noticed the sync isn't instantaneous, but if I ping one device from the other, it starts immediately. I think Android has some kind of network related sleep somewhere, since the two nixos ones just sync immediately.

I have around 4000 photos and videos in this folder. I don't know what it is but I know that it's not a network issue. I think it takes a long time because the phone CPU is much slower than the desktop but I couldn't tell you what it's doing, the status doesn't say anything useful except noting that files are out of sync and that the other device is connected.

yes I do wish it would say a bit more of what's going on and have a big button that says "try it now".

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by eptcyka »

cortesoft wrote: post #146
Larrikin wrote: post #39

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For your specific use case of photos, Immich is the front runner and a much better experience. Sadly for the general Dropbox replacement I haven't found anything either.

I love immich, too, but I have also ran into a lot of issues with syncing large libraries. The iPhone app will just hang sometimes.

Since the last major update to 2.0, it has gotten immensely better. Whereas before the app was hung for 30 seconds on startup and would only reliably sync in the foreground for my partner, it now just works. Can open, syncs in the background. Never had such issues on my phone, probably the size of your collection matters here.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by dugite-code »

In my experience the bottle neck for any nextcloud install is typically the database.

Unlike many other projects it's surprisingly easy to get in a situation where the db is throttling due to IO issues on a single box machine. Having the db at on a seperate drive from the storage and logging really speeds things up.

That and setting up a lot of the background tasks like image preview generation, redis ect properly.

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Post by hebelehubele »

lompad wrote: post #38
palata wrote: post #27

I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…

Recently people built a super-lightweigt alternative, named copyparty[0]. To me that looks like it does everything people tend to need without all the bloat. [0]: https://github.com/9001/copyparty

It's an amazing piece of software. If only the code & the configuration was readable. It's overly reliant on 2-3 letter abbreviations, which I'm sure has a system, but I haven't yet been able to decipher.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by poisonborz »

I agree with the criticism but wonder why are there no alternatives? Nextcloud, for what most people use it, is a rather simple, straightforward collection of apps, yet not even those single apps have alternatives. Eg. show me a good selfhostable web calendar, it doesn't exist.

Why does Nextcloud, or even just parts of it, not have dozens of alternatives?

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by wltr »

peanut-walrus wrote: post #306
lompad wrote: post #38

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Recently people built a super-lightweigt alternative, named copyparty[0]. To me that looks like it does everything people tend to need without all the bloat. [0]: https://github.com/9001/copyparty

Personally, the only thing I need is stable clients on both desktop and mobile with bidirectional sync. Copyparty seems really cool, but it explicitly does not do that.

Have you considered syncthing? There’s shiny new and super cool Sushi Train (or Sync Train by other name) app for iOS (I wish the author would make it a paid app, so much I like it!): https://github.com/pixelspark/sushitrain

Not affiliated, but a very happy user.

I mention iOS, because that was what I needed personally, as there was syncthing for Android since forever.

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Post by immibis »

DrammBA wrote: post #289
zeppelin101 wrote: post #281

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I don't know why the sarcasm is so necessary. I very much enjoyed Nextcloud and I proudly ran it for the better part of a year. I even ran various NC-ecosystem apps, such as the Office ones. However, my objective was to try it out from the standpoint of regular self-hosting. I wanted to contrast the 'out-of-the-box' experience to Dropbox, which I had been using for many years up to that point. Yes, one was centrally…

Not sure why you took it so personally, I was simply pointing out that if you don't configure a feature then that feature would obviously not work, for example phone sync for google drive won't work if you don't download the google drive app, and lan access for nextcloud won't work if you don't set up lan access.

Except your phone comes with Google Drive and syncs things you don't want it to, so Google can scan your life better.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by amluto »

riskable wrote: post #104
PaulKeeble wrote: post #53

I don't doubt that large amounts of javascript can often cause issues but even when cached NextCloud feels sluggish. When I look at just the network tab of a refresh of the calendar page it does 124 network calls, 31 of which aren't cached. it seems to be making a call per calendar each of which is over 30ms. So that stacks up the more calendars you have(and you have a number by default like contact birthdays). The J…

I was going to say... The size of the JS only matters the first time you download it unless there's a lot of tiny files instead of a bundle or two. What the article is complaining about doesn't seem like it's root cause of the slowness. When it comes to JS optimization in the browser there's usually a few great big smoking guns: 1. Tons of tiny files: Bundle them! Big bundle > zillions of lazy-loaded files. 2. Lots o…

Why WebSockets? If you need to fetch 30 things, you can build an elaborate protocol to stream them in without them interfering with each other, or you can ask for all thirty at once. Plain HTTP(S) can do the latter just fine, although the API might not be quite RESTful.
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