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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by dashundchen »

stronglikedan wrote: post #51
elicash wrote: post #6

The irony of doing this while covering their own faces

That's fine, as long as they aren't making anyone remove face coverings. People are allowed to cover their faces in public places. And we can't tell from this biased article whether they had probable cause to stop anyone that they did.

Government officials arresting people should be required to positively identify themselves and provide the legal reason they are detaining someone.

Otherwise there is no difference between a kidnapper and ICE agent.

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Post by dashundchen »

oklahomasports wrote: post #215
sanex wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of these people have SSNs and work permits. We let them in and let them work legally and now have suddenly changed our collective mind and are violently letting them know. It's absurd.

Actually there are at least ten million with no legal standing in the country at all. Did you actually just claim everyone in the country is here legally?

The poster did not say everyone in the country is here, you're putting words in their mouth. Presumably in bad faith.

Even non-citizens are entitled to due process and the 4th amendment. ICE is violating that left and right, citizens and legal residents included. Fuck ICE.

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Post by _yb2s »

mindslight wrote: post #305
JohnFen wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The generous part of me says this is an example of "you become what you hate". The ungenerous part of me says that all their talk about freedom, liberty, state's rights, etc., has always been a lie.

As a libertarian, I had given Republicans the benefit of the doubt figuring they earnestly wanted freedom, but were just terrible at understanding the details of how their freedom gets taken away. But I still had figured that conservatism actually meant something - trusting institutions / "the system", believing America is a force for good in the world, slow measured change, etc. But the point we've arrived at, with…

I'm coming from the same basic perspective as you describe, and always tried hard to see people in the best light and sympathize with their concerns, but am no longer finding that possible in this situation, and it is disheartening.

The only explanation for the core MAGA supporters that I can come up with is that it is a sort of loose coalition of people that feel disaffected and judged by society for various reasons and want acceptance - and vengeance. It includes many people that are, e.g. sociopaths and racists, and want someone to tell them that being like that isn't bad, it's actually "protecting American from inferior people" or some such thing.

There is just no way that people don't realize that Trump is a malignant narcissist that lies every time he speaks, and tries to sadistically harm anyone that doesn't support him. The only explanation is that people don't like him despite that, but because of it- him being so awful, and proudly like that with no hint of remorse, absolves them of the lifelong guilt and fear that they might be bad people also, and instead frees them to also be proudly like that themselves.

Recently I've been reading a book about the history of the Jim Crow era in the south, and the extremely widespread brutal terrorism and mass murder, and I can't really reach any other conclusion than that those people just laid low for a while while they regrouped and strategized, but they're just as prevalent, violent, and racist now as they ever were, and they're done hiding. They see the Confederate/Nazi/Fascist dream of a totalitarian white ethnostate in their grasp, and they are ready to make it happen - they aren't ashamed for wanting that, and they aren't afraid anymore.

I get that this is a really dark view of current events, and I really hope it is not true, but at this point, I think it is delusional to pretend that it's anything but the most likely explanation and prepare accordingly.

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Post by JuniperMesos »

FireBeyond wrote: post #285
JuniperMesos wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I checked the State of California website for REAL ID eligibility before I wrote my above comment, and it confirms that people with temporary legal immigration status are eligible for REAL ID cards, specifically mentioning DACA recipients as an example of a category of people who are eligible. This is exactly the sort of thing I think should not be allowed by the federal framework governing REAL IDs, non-permanent re…

California is an outlier here. I am a permanent resident in Washington and Washington will only issue REAL ID-compliant Enhanced Drivers Licenses to US citizens, not to LPRs.

Maybe it is, I don't know the rules as they exist in every state - but that's also a problematic aspect of the REAL ID system: because the rules vary somewhat from state to state, authorities in one state who are used to one system for who can be legitimately given a REAL ID might make bad assumptions about someone from another state with different rules. And in any case, California is the most populous state by far, so even if it's an outlier, that still affects a huge percentage of the entire US population.

We really should have one, federally issued ID system, that works uniformally everywhere in the country for demonstrating citizenship and legal permanent residency, and that no other category of person can be able to legitimately obtain.

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Post by snypher »

mindslight wrote: post #112
xeonmc wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reality feels like someone had their monkey paw wish granted. “I wish I could play Wolfenstein in real life.”

In Wolfenstein, the main character shot Nazi soldiers. It was made back when we had shared societal values like fascism is bad. Today, such a game would be called a product of tHe rAdIcAl lEfT.

Unironic antifi training material.

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Post by voxic11 »

tracker1 wrote: post #256
JohnMakin wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you get a driver's license, for one.

I don't recall getting fingerprinted when I got my Driver's license or renewed, or even when I had to switch to a national id version for travel. I did get fingerprint registration while considering adoption with my ex-wife as part of the background check.

Texas takes the fingerprints of everyone who is issued a drivers license. In other states its usually only for commercial licenses.

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Post by conception »

duxup wrote: post #290
dragonwriter wrote: post #275

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Its not just ICE, its clear Trump intent for law enforcement (and not just federal) from even very early on in his first term, where a highlighted priority was terminating then-active federal enforcement actions against state law enforcement agencies for violations of civil rights. Lawless “law enforcement” has been one of the most consistent overt priorities Trump has had.

I think ICE's expansion + their massive legal discretion that goes beyond typical law enforcement is just he perfect place to put thugs. ICE by design is just the spot to have those folks, sadly.

Also they operate in the constitution free zone of 100 miles from a border.

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

alwa wrote: post #118
puppycodes wrote: post #85

Seems like this would be to collect faces of what they consider "dissedents" rather than verify citizenship which can be done much more accurately through a mobile fingerprint reader. Then again, who needs accuracy when you dissapear people without a warrant.

When are citizens’ fingerprints normally put on file, in the US? Or, for that matter, noncitizens who entered irregularly?

Anyone going thru the process of getting licensed as a stockbroker is fingerprinted (Series 63, 7 test)

Its possible that insurance broker license is the same. Same for pharmacist.

I think a lot of US trades have fingerprinting as requisite, particularly if they require a background check.

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Post by seg_lol »

shostack wrote: post #302
crypto420 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not Palantir. Their CEO has explicitly said that they don't collect data on US citizens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-IH7EVrBbQ

Do they partner with Clearview or Flock or anyone else? "Collect" seems like a weasel word that still leaves lots of options on the table.

Palantir isn't collecting it, they are storing it and processing it after it has been collected by ICE.

Their defacto scan everyone isn't to determine citizenship, it is to collect the data in the first place. They want to get as much data into their system as possible.

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