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Re: A worker fell into a nuclear reactor pool

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My account is a couple years old, and I’ll agree with what fekxpurrrt said — you expressed doubt without evidence, people challenged your doubt, and you’ve never really satisfied their objections. The experts do know more than you. A brief Wikipedia investigation corroborates what the experts have said. They seem trustworthy, it’s unclear why your doubt should be taken seriously. Everyone is wrong sometimes. When you…

What claims specifically have I made that you have evidence to the contrary indicating that I am wrong

EDIT: (after 1 hr) - Litvinenko dose was 4GBq - I was wrong by 3 orders of magnitude. My bad

Re: A worker fell into a nuclear reactor pool

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300 CPM in hair after decontamination is a massive red flag. If this is from systemic circulation, could be GBq-level total body activity. The non-emergency classification is bureaucratic nonsense. This is an internal contamination event with unknown but potentially severe consequences.

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, I believe if it was reflected in the hair in the immediate aftermath, it wouldn't reflect internal circulation because hair does not grow that fast. It would have been from exposure to the pool rather than any amount ingested.

Re: A worker fell into a nuclear reactor pool

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I greatly appreciate the nuclear industry. Nuclear field engineering was my first "real" job out of college and they really committ to safety. Transparency in this industry is inspiring because everyone involved knows that one screw up and that's the end of the US nuclear industry. Good luck getting oil and gas to be accountable and as transparent about incidents. I carry the culture into the rest of my work and appr…

Can you recommend a book or two in order to learn about that culture? IMO we could use more of it in AI.

I found strong parallels between tech safety and nuclear safety.

https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML0534/ML053410342.pdf

NRC is a good place to start. They have been at trying to prevent tech from hurting people for awhile.

Re: A worker fell into a nuclear reactor pool

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Possibly, but I wouldn't think "least radioactive environments in a nuclear reactor" is a low bar. I don't know, though.

You’re right, you don’t know! When I worked on a nuclear aircraft carrier, I learned that the people working down in the reactor spaces got significantly less radiation exposure than the people working on the flight deck. My ship was ported in Japan when the Fukushima disaster happened, and we had to abruptly go out to sea because we couldn’t let the (minimal) fallout contaminate the reactor spaces and make it imposs…

> "...we had to abruptly go out to sea because we couldn’t let the (minimal) fallout contaminate the reactor spaces and make it impossible to monitor the reactor itself properly."

There are numerous anecdotes from the USS Reagan that contradict that prosaic interpretation (of the reason it was abruptly moved),

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/seven-years-on-sai... ("7 Years on, Sailors Exposed to Fukushima Radiation Seek Their Day in Court" (2018))

E.g.,

"He was issued iodine tablets—which are used to block radioactive iodine, a common byproduct of uranium fission, from being absorbed by the thyroid gland—and fitted for an NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) suit. He was also told not to drink water from the ship’s desalination system. [...] Torres, the senior petty officer, recounted, “One of the scariest things I’ve heard in my career was when the commanding officer came over the loudspeaker, and she said, ‘We’ve detected high levels of radiation in the drinking water; I’m securing all the water.’” That included making showers off limits."

Re: A worker fell into a nuclear reactor pool

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Because of all the other physiological and mental benefits that come from the exercise that the pill won’t give you?

It might be empirically sound, but it does not make a priori sense that exercising a body will improve it. If I use almost any object in the universe frequently, it typically degrades rather than improves. The health benefits of exercise are most likely due to improved blood flow and related physiological effects. In principle, pills could theoretically achieve similar outcomes by enhancing circulation or other under…

Doing resistance training will mechanically stress the ligaments, bones and muscles which results in your body reinforcing and strengthening them. This is important to do on a localized level, as hypertrophy of the heart is not good whereas hypertrophy of the leg muscles is. You cant do this in pill form (at least yet)

Re: A worker fell into a nuclear reactor pool

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No you misread. One of the least radioactive areas, full stop. It is less radioactive than your house.

Reminds me of the "your keyboard is dirtier than your asshole" and similar 'myths' that no one would bother to verify. I mean I would rather lick a keyboard than a butthole (with exceptions of course)

I wouldn't lick my own keyboard, but licking my own asshole sounds interesting

Re: A worker fell into a nuclear reactor pool

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People should probably try improve their CV health via exercise, rather than pills, wherever possible.

Why?

Medication frequently (though not always) provides benefits that may be achieved at least in part by non-medical means: lifestyle (adequate sleep, low stress, reduced exposure to contaminants and pollutants), diet (preferring healthier to unhealthier foods, generally), and exercise (itself comprised of multiple modalities, including cardio, strength training, fine motor control, and others).

The best results are achieved when these are working together toward some health or fitness goal. It's far more effective to align your lifestyle, diet, exercise, and medications than to have these working against one another (I'll take this pill to compensate for my drinking / smoking / drug use / pollution exposure / stress, etc.). Of course, that's not always possible, and there are circumstances where it's difficult or impossible to attain some of these mechanisms (parapalegic, living in a highly polluted environment, inherently stressful living conditions, GI compromise limiting eating or diet, congenital or genetic conditions or predispositions). Even here, if the patient can make some progress in a specific modality, they'll probably see some benefit.

Some of the most impressive athletes I've seen, from a sheer grit perspective, are those who are working against some major limitation: the swimmer at a health club long ago paralyzed in both legs, the one-legged open-water swimmer, old farts with their pacemakers showing through their chests swimming in the San Francisco Bay, patients with diabetes, heart failure, Parkinsons, recovering from cancer, with various injuries or scars, still at it. Some are astonishingly good by any measure, many aren't, but damned if they're not trying and generally living far better than if they weren't.

This isn't "don't take your meds", it's "use all the available tools". Lifestyle, diet, an exercise are underrated and powerful tools.

"You don't look like your medical history" is a high compliment coming from a doctor, and I'd strongly recommend earning it.

Re: A worker fell into a nuclear reactor pool

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My understanding is that reactor and waste pools are some of the least radioactive environments as they are constantly monitored for leakage.

It's because water blocks radioactivity. It's like the opposite of the Fallout games and their radioactive water: you would have to swim right down to the radioactive material and wrap yourself around it at which point you'd basically melt.

Water blocks alpha, beta and gamma rays, but the water itself can carry radioactive elements, which I'd guess was the source of this (relatively minor) contamination.
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