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Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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>For example, if I asked gamers what the best GPU is, most would say the NVIDIA RTX 5090. Its price-to-performance ratio is terrible, but it still holds the crown. Not for me. My 3090 can already max out my UPS. Being gifted a 5090 would be a terrible inconvenience for me. What you mean is that it's the fastest gaming GPU. Is that what "best" means? Something is the best in its product category if it tops the chart o…

I see the points you’re making, but I think there are a few misunderstandings in how you’re framing the discussion. 1. "Best" versus "fastest" or "most expensive" When I said the RTX 5090 is "the best GPU" for gaming, I meant it objectively tops the category on the core property most gamers care about: raw performance. That’s exactly why review sites separate "best overall" from "best value", they are acknowledging t…

>Saying "Dell could make a higher-quality laptop for the same price" is exactly my point

You understood the exact opposite from what I said. Dell couldn't make a much better laptop for the same price, the same way Apple couldn't make the same laptops for much cheaper.

>Price is an extrinsic property.

No, it's not extrinsic. That was my point. Do you think materials and R&D are free for manufacturers and OS developers? The price is not merely correlated, it's a direct consequence of the build quality. You can't sell a product for less money than it cost to make it. Higher quality -> higher cost -> higher price.

>By contrast, whether you paid $50 million or $500 for the laptop doesn’t change its display quality, weight, or battery life.

In what world could you pay either $500 or $50M for two products which are otherwise equivalent? How do you think the latter one could be viable? Are you serious? Do you actually think cost and price are literally independent variables?

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

> I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it Why though? My 2021 M1 still feels more beefy than pretty much any other laptop on the market. I have a M1, and an M4 for work and I barely feel any difference between the 2, they’re pretty much top notch. Sure, the M4 pro is more future proof, I can imagine myself still using my M1 in 2030 and my M4 in 2035. But I h…

My 32GB RAM M1 is a fantastic machine, but it's getting old for the type of work I do. And I can't upgrade the RAM.

I installed Omarchy via Asahi Alarm [1] and have been running it for 3 weeks without issues. I spent half a day setting everything to my taste (keyboard bindings, monitors, waybar, etc.), and I'm still getting used to Hyprland, but I have a fast machine. RAM usage with everything I need open is considerably lower than on macOS (80% -> 50%), and I don't have to pay a monthly subscription for every little piece of software not built into macOS.

Asahi isn't perfect (touchpad rejection being my main issue), but I can live with the inconveniences. This is still a very good machine, and I can't afford a new one right now.

[1] https://github.com/basecamp/omarchy/pull/1897

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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I don’t see any mention of their explicit support for fascism on their homepage, can you justify this claim?

They haven't exactly been quiet about it. Here are some links; * https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1960029405067313546 * https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1975721241345728683 * https://bsky.app/profile/frame.work/post/3lvm6ahbrf22n * https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ...

> bsky.app

That explains everything, no need to dig deeper.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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All of these things are running Linux under virtualization and faking it to the Mac user and they naturally have all the same limitations as running a VM. They are effectively like WSL. P.S. I believe that specific company did some level of rug-pull early on already and started charging people who already relied on it for free because they left Docker which started charging earlier, so I would be vary of relying on t…

> They are effectively like WSL. You mean WSL2. WSL1 was more like Wine than a VM. I am still sour they did away with that approach, I thought it was the coolest thing.

I agree - we could already run Linux VM's on windows anyways. The change in architecture from native Linux on native Windows to just another VM on windows was very disappointing. Sure, they improved FS performance but broke a lot of magical stuff that could be done earlier. FS performance for WSL-1 should have been improved by enhancing the Windows API.

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I suppose for folks here, they like being able to do dev work (as well as web browsing) on a fast laptop with low power draw. Sounds like that's not exactly your use case.

> they like being able to do dev work (as well as web browsing) on a fast laptop with low power draw. I guess that's hard for me to understand... do you just not have to compile things? Or do you just not mind waiting? No matter how exceptional the laptops are for laptops, a real computer plugged into a wall is always going to vastly outperform them...

Most of the compilation I run is Go, which isn't really a resource hog. My editor always takes significantly more resources than compiling.

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They haven't exactly been quiet about it. Here are some links; * https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1960029405067313546 * https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1975721241345728683 * https://bsky.app/profile/frame.work/post/3lvm6ahbrf22n * https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ...

> bsky.app That explains everything, no need to dig deeper.

I don't use Bluesky, I prefer Mastodon and frankly quite dislike Bluesky's faux-decentralization. But Framework uses Bluesky, so that's what I'm gonna link to when I wanna link to their posts.

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I don't think any other competitor makes hardware of a similar class in terms of quality. Framework is great, but it doesn't even come close in terms of quality. Specs are one thing, how the product looks, feels, attention to detail, and most importantly: long term viability! even if you take away everything else, macbooks are though. I've used a couple for over a decade with no hardware repair (except when I broke a…

Thinkpad X1 is very solid and sexy hardware imo, tastes may vary But my favorite machine of late is a tiny ultra portable with a Ryzen AI 9 chip with 64Gb RAM, it's an x86 that's competitive with the new ARM stuff on power efficiency

I'm curious, which ultraportable is that?

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

> go back to buying Windows laptops and putting Linux on them. But they just aren't as nice. There are native Linux laptops from several manufacturers such as Slimbook, Star Labs, System76, Tuxedo etc. Or if you prefer mainstream OEMs both Lenovo and Dell sell laptops with Linux preloaded (or have official Linux compatibility listed on the spec sheet). And of course, there's also Framework, if you're in the lucky 10%…

I have the same z13 gen one, but my m1 is a Pro.

I do absolutely love the z13 and prefer it most of the time...but I definitely would not call the battery life "all day" or even "almost all day"

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

I used to have the same one, with Asahi. There were some problems which were never fixed (battery drain in sleep mode, no working Thunderbolt ...). Now job will give me a brand new one (I guess M4 or M5), I don't know how I'll do to run Linux on this. Either it'll be a VM or I'll use my own thinkpad. So sad.

I do a full shutdown, since it boots from cold into Asahi in ~30s (M1 Pro). Plus I´d rather have a laptop that I know is shutdown, than this crazy 'we might need to do an update whilst it's in your backpack' fake sleeps.

I think my next laptop will be M2 Pro/Max, but honestly at the moment I dont see the need for anything faster. And having discovered Asahi, I dont think I could ever go back to a BigTech commercial Ad platform OS. This feels like My computer.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

  > I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro.
  > It's getting a bit old
What about it is getting old? I'm still on a bog-standard 2013 Intel desktop and its mostly fine.
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