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> half the price of S3 No one other than hobbyists is paying full price on AWS.
How to not pay full price on AWS? We pay $10K+ per month and nobody gives us any discount.
We do get discount, but it wont make it cheap.
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It wouldn't matter anyways, you cannot relicense historic releases.
It does matter, since the current AGPL license status is questionable at best, they did not have permission to relicense code added by contributors. This is why CLAs exist.
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>The price of support comes in at at slightly less than the equivalent amount of S3 storage That's absurd. I would be running to NetApp and Dell for competitive object storage quotes then. Haven't done pricing on either one recently but at least a few years ago they were roughly half the price of S3 all in (including hosting costs).
> half the price of S3 No one other than hobbyists is paying full price on AWS.
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If you were given the ratchet and then someone wanted to charge you every time you use it you would also be pissed.
> If you were given the ratchet and then someone wanted to charge you every time you use it you would also be pissed. People gotta eat. If someone's making valuable tools and giving them away, they still need to get paid somehow. If people aren't voluntarily tipping them enough, then something's gotta give. There have been too many stories of open source developers basically burning themselves out for years, then it…
The development cost is based on the complexity of the work. It doesn't require a royalty payment in order to deploy more copies or to run them at higher loads. The software already exists. Separately, normal economic decisions can be made around support of deployments, e.g. whether to use in-house labor, hire consultants, or subscribe to some service contract. Sometimes, but not always, the users are another grant-funded project.
This model isn't a lottery ticket for the developers, nor the capital class. But the developers get paid a good wage for the time they spend on a product. I've done it for the majority of the last 30 years, almost like being a conscientious objector to the VC marketing complex.
Unfortunately, there are societal forces working hard against open source public goods. I think regulatory-capture is turning the whole security space into a compliance moat for heavily capitalized players. And the higher education cost spiral keeps increasing the overhead for universities, where a lot of these open source developer jobs used to be found. These are overlapping, but I'd say not the same thing. The overhead in academia is more than just compliance burden.
And, the whole fad-chasing and hustle aspect of contemporary IT is an inflationary process, eroding the value of previously developed open source products. Over my career, it seems that production-ready code is getting an ever-shorter service life. More maintenance and redevelopment work is needed or else users abandon it for the Next Big Thing. It's been quite a ride for me, following the whole wave of GNU, MIT, BSD, Linux, Python, and scientific computing tools since the early 90s...
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> If you were given the ratchet and then someone wanted to charge you every time you use it you would also be pissed. People gotta eat. If someone's making valuable tools and giving them away, they still need to get paid somehow. If people aren't voluntarily tipping them enough, then something's gotta give. There have been too many stories of open source developers basically burning themselves out for years, then it…
The problem then is that you're making a valuable tool and giving it away and then wandering around hat in hand. That's not going to work for anyone. Also, taking away things that you've already given people for free so that they have to pay you to get them back is not going to engender any goodwill. Unfortunately, the minio devs seem to have fallen into the common trap: make a great OSS project that works and that e…
That is textbook open source idealism: you give to the community, the community gives back. The problem is a lot of people are moochers, even very rich people who have money coming out of their ears.
> It starts to feel more like a protection racket. You've got some great features here, would be a shame if something happened to them. Oh no, your docker containers! Oh, that's a tragedy what happened there, but you know, accidents happen.
Come on, don't be so uncharitable. It's nothing like a protection racket, which is pure, planned exploitation. This is open source idealism coming into contact with capitalist reality.
It's absolutely stunning that people actually defend this behaviour! The community is having an outrage - and rightfully so - about a silently discontinued artifact delivery at a very critical time. Which is their opinion and every human being is entitled to have their own opinion and state it openly. It is also perfectly fine to expect a standardised behaviour to continue. However, what is most important is that is…
I don't think the people in this thread have any concept of how much $$$ it costs to distribute a free container that is going to be downloaded billions of times. You are a farmer, not a big fancy profitable one. Your tractor is from 1970 and works great, when it works. Your wife has health problems and can't really help out around the farm much - kids have gone off - so you just do things mostly by yourself. With yo…
It's more like the farmer was giving leftovers for free to schools and it was so good that it made him famous. People from all over the country came in, including businessmen who told the farmer he is missing out and should be charging more for his food. He started a restaurant chain but, the businessmen went further and said that a quality product cannot be given away for free and made him stop supporting schools and shelters which got him rich and famous in the first place. Even tho, he was just handing over leftovers (it cost around USD 100 to host a docker image - yearly)
Think EA, Microsoft and Xbox, Broadcom and bitnami.
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How to not pay full price on AWS? We pay $10K+ per month and nobody gives us any discount.
To be fair, for aws that is hobbyist numbers. We (400 people data company) pay 10 times that amount. Let alone big enterprises. We do get discount, but it wont make it cheap.
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How to not pay full price on AWS? We pay $10K+ per month and nobody gives us any discount.
To be fair, for aws that is hobbyist numbers. We (400 people data company) pay 10 times that amount. Let alone big enterprises. We do get discount, but it wont make it cheap.