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The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Post by zelphirkalt »

dagmx wrote: post #285
zelphirkalt wrote: post #273

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Show code and explain, or it didn't happen. Takes a capable interviewer, of course, to distinguish sweet talk from profound knowledge.

I’m confused by your response. You expect the candidates to show code from their current/previous employer ? Or side projects that most people aren’t allowed to do by employers?

No, not previous employer, of course (unless open source). I expect candidates to show code they worked on in their own projects. That is, if they have any. Having any not just forked and click deploy projects in itself is a signal, that is worth looking into.

If all their previous employers don't allow side projects (must be in US or something, where employees don't have rights), then they should pay accordingly more to balance that restriction and loss in experience.

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Post by DrewADesign »

dns_snek wrote: post #295
DrewADesign wrote: post #253

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It doesn't have to be perfect, or even good, to 'work': it just has to perform the expected function well enough to satisfy their use case, which is low-effort text generation without significant quality requirements. Therefore, it absolutely works.

In that case, nobody ever argued that LLMs aren't capable of generating low effort, low quality text so I don't understand the point of the earlier comment. We don't have to "accept" this as it was never questioned. But what does it matter? After the game of semantics is all said and done, the work is still being done to a lower standard than before, and people are letting their skills atrophy.

The comment I responded to said the article didn’t acknowledge that AI “might work.” I said the premise of the article was based on the assumption that to some extent, AI worked. You said AI didn’t work because its output is low quality, which is not something either me or the original commenter said anything about at all. I said that objective quality didn’t factor into the equation because if it satisfied people’s use cases, by their standards, it “worked.” Then you replied saying you never claimed that AI didn’t work for low-quality outputs. Aaannd here we are.

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Post by sotix »

zdw wrote: post #21

For an example of where this already happened, look at the number of people who literally don't have a minor inkling of how to plan a route or navigate without a GPS and mapping software. Sure, having a real-time data source is nice for avoiding construction/traffic, and I'd use a real-time map, but going beyond that to be spoon fed your next action over and over leads to dependency.

My mom can't get to our lake house anymore without GPS even though she's been driving there for forty years. To be fair, a wild amount of construction and development has occurred around it in the past 15 years, but the road signs still point you in the right direction.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

mnky9800n wrote: post #111
DrewADesign wrote: post #42

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I also think that being a little more cautious would have yielded many, if not most of the benefits we've received while avoiding many of the downfalls. Most of these companies knew their products were negatively affecting their users-- e.g. instagram and teen girl self esteem-- but actively suppressed it because it would inhibit making dump trucks full of money off of it. People who stand to make that money will ALW…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEIrQUXm_hY

The number of times I’ve been in an argument with colleagues and said “it’s all tools, use the tool for the job” to close out my point can’t be over overstated lol. So many film vs digital arguments in particular.

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Post by questionableans »

1718627440 wrote: post #305
questionableans wrote: post #274

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It’s undeniably worth investing in immigrants, including refugees. Rhetoric otherwise is just veiled racism. These people already exist. It’s our duty to take care of them as global citizens, just like it’s our duty to care for the elderly and others. I also think you’d be surprised how little time to pay off would actually be needed. Give people a calm space and community (including their friends and family), and we…

> It’s undeniably worth investing in immigrants, including refugees. It’s our duty to take care of them as global citizens, just like it’s our duty to care for the elderly and others. These are different things. Yes we are required to provide the resources needed for life to refugees as well as to the elderly. That doesn't automatically mean that this is a worthy investment. What dividends do you intend to get from a…

Letting people who want to immigrate do so instead of pressuring people who don’t want to have kids do so is not slavery.

If we can’t get our act together and help each other out while living within our planet’s means, what kind of life are we even offering to future generations?

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Post by jncfhnb »

ineedasername wrote: post #279
jncfhnb wrote: post #244

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I don’t really agree about the premise here. We want people to surpass some basic level of competency in literacy and numeracy skills. The bars which people fall below here are not impressive. Are forced courses a good means to achieve that? In my opinion, no, these forced courses are functionally useless. You can’t teach things students don’t care to learn.

Any course is functionally useless if you don’t do the work, and my comment was not about people having to take forced courses. It was about people being naive, and willfully so, about the practical value of these courses and then making factually incorrect statements about them being useless for the area of study where they want to make a career. It is identical, only with different subject areas, to a computer scie…

But I think you’re blurring the lines between “this is theoretically useful” and “this is a fundamental thing that we should invest in everyone having”

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Post by legacynl »

It reminds me of this issue at the MESA repo: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/work_items/13736

The OP of that issue actually tries to argue that he should be allowed to post code-suggestions that he himself doesn't understand.

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Post by legacynl »

crazygringo wrote: post #209
tdrz wrote: post #192

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> It didn't make me stronger or smarter or a better person. Yes, it did.

Believe me, it didn't. Planning routes isn't exactly rocket science. There's not much to learn. It just takes a lot of time. It's busywork.

Although you're not learning any 'facts' or 'methods' you are training your 'sense of direction'. It's harder to put into words what this actually entails, but it is certainly a skill that you're getting better at the more you train it.

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Post by legacynl »

PeterStuer wrote: post #189

Our survival, not hypotetical, but actual, on an individual basis is tied directly to how much value we personally can extract from others. AI, even when it provides a net benefit, does threathen the value potentially offered by individuals. It's complicated.

> Our survival, not hypotetical, but actual, on an individual basis is tied directly to how much value we personally can extract from others.

Is it though? I think that's way too simplistic to even come close to being true. Is it even possible for all individuals in an ecosystem to be parasites? Doesn't a parasitic relationship not imply the existence of hosts?

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Post by hyc_symas »

erichocean wrote: post #306
hyc_symas wrote: post #296

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What's the bug ID, have you submitted the fix back?

That was my plan, but I haven't yet--the fix was in my renamed code and I haven't put in the work to make it correspond to the original code. But here's the commit message, maybe you can see it easily: Fix: Use correct stack index when adjusting cursors in mdb_cursor_del0 In `mdb_cursor_del0`, the second cursor adjustment loop, which runs after `mdb_rebalance`, contained a latent bug that could lead to memory corrupt…

Thanks for that. It doesn't look like there is an open bug report for this yet.

I understand your commit description but I'm still a bit puzzled by it. cursor_to_update shouldn't have a deeper stack than cursor, even if it was a cursor on a subdatabase. All the references to the subdatabase are in the subcursor, and that has no bearing on the main cursor's stack.

The original code with the bug was added for ITS#8406, commit 37081325f7356587c5e6ce4c1f36c3b303fa718c on 2016-04-18. Definitely a rare occurrence since it's uncommon to write from multiple cursors on the same DB. Fixed now in ITS#10396.

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