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The answer is to get rid of the web, JS, and HTTP. I’m working on it.
Okay, what's the plan?
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#313You have my attention! But in this day and age, I need to understand more about intentions, and what sustains projects like this. For the moment I've settled on Safari simply because Apple makes its billions elsewhere, even if I am increasingly disappointed with how they are playing along with politics right now.
What makes you think that Apple respects your privacy any more than Google and Microsoft? The marketing brochure?
Apple has released several privacy features, their slogan is “Privacy. That’s Apple.”, and they make their money from hardware. Even if not a perfect company it’s sure as hell a better bet than MS or google.
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> the controversial person behind Did I miss a controversy somewhere?
The "controversy" is probably referring to this: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5823666/ladybird-web-browser...
I'd like to caution the reader that Lunduke is a notoriously biased source, having drifted off into right-wing (and particularly anti-trans) activism in recent years.
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How is firefox legitimate competition when they are basically financed by Google?
Maybe it's also the other way around: if Firefox was legitimate competition, Google wouldn't "fund" them (quotes because really, google is also just buying user traffic with their investment). Is Google actively sabotaging Mozilla or is Mozilla a genuine competitor that just hasn't figured out how to build a browser that'll actually challenge Chrome (and Chromiumy browsers) beyond ideologist users? I say it's the lat…
> is Mozilla a genuine competitor that just hasn't figured out how to build a browser that'll actually challenge Chrome
Mozilla had a browser that had huge market share and was growing, and actively destroyed it for the sake of Chrome, at the same time as they became a financial dependent of google.
> google is also just buying user traffic with their investment
Google is not buying user traffic from a browser with a 3% share and falling. Google is probably responsible for 2-300% of firefox's profits, because if they stopped paying them off, they'd have to close up shop in 6 months. Everything else they do is a failure, and if it looks like it has a chance of being successful, like Servo and Rust*, they get rid of it.
They're not going to give them money to them with a check with "Bribe to fail continually, and to never give users a feature that they would leave Chrome for ever again" written on it. Money is fungible. If they couldn't bribe them like this, they'd create an "Extensions Interop Consortium," let Mozilla host it, and fund it to the tune of a half-billion dollars. Let Google prove this "partnership" is profitable, this default search engine placement on the 3% browser used exclusively by people who are experts, know how to change their defaults, and hate google. It doesn't pass the stupid test.
But actually, they don't have to prove anything because even though they're officially a monopoly, one of the worst of the many horrible, horrible Obama judges has now affirmed that there will be no remedy, because a remedy might affect their business. He then immediately went on tour, telling audiences how the government is bullying tech companies.
[*] And maybe firefoxOS, I accidentally had one as my daily phone for a year, and it worked fine. I didn't love it and I didn't even like the idea of it, but it certainly worked.
Re: Helium Browser
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I recently purchased Firefox relay because I thought it was a nifty service to start using to prevent spam and preserve my privacy, but also a driving factor in my purchase was giving money to Mozilla. I didn't really look into it beyond that internal thought process. Your comment made me wonder, are things so segmented at Mozilla that supporting something like relay doesn't actually help Firefox in general?
People have a lot of weird excuses for disliking Mozilla. There are definitely legitimate ones, but the point really is "what's the alternative"? Are the faults of Mozilla really so much worse that we'll turn to Google instead? Honestly, that seems silly to me. Can we just for once not blindly hate something for not being perfect and consequently strengthening an even worse option?
> hate something for not being perfect
Could you, and everybody, stop saying this for any reason about any subject? Go through this thread, pick out all of the people saying that they hate Mozilla for "not being perfect." Argue with them.
> the point really is "what's the alternative"?
Yes, that is the point. If there were an alternative people wouldn't complain, they would just leave. But Google is paying Mozilla (and Apple by the way) massive amounts of money not to compete. Mozilla is just very-ungoogled-chromium. It is not an alternative to google, it is one of the alternatives that google offers. I use it because I don't want to leave the internet altogether. It is a pain in the ass that involves a lot of work to bring it up to 70% of the functionality and UI it had 20 years ago.
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Does the person's political opinion even matter if the product is good quality ? 20 years ago, nobody used to care.
Yes, it does. Otherwise we wouldn't care that really great shoes are stitched together by indentured children somewhere far away.
I am deeply ashamed to know that the Ladybird browser was being coded by indentured children somewhere far away. Your thoughtful and considerate "Strawman Argument" has fully enlightened me.
Re: Helium Browser
#318> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…
Yet I pick a Chromium based browser because Firefox is awfully anti-user. I still can't load extensions that are not Mozilla-approved, a major deal breaker for me. Then there's the "news" (ragebait slop) on the new tab screen by default, almost like I'm using MS Edge, and also the many sponsored & "suggested" (read: sponsored) links by default in new tab and the address bar as well. The only acceptable Gecko-based br…
by "Mozilla approved" do you mean that it has to come from the official add-on store?
because in my experience, it doesn't--I've installed a couple of extensions manually by just dragging the .xpi into the window.
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I hope that not. Or at least, get out of the control of the controversial person behind it. If I would put all the eggs on a basket, I will prefer Servo.
Does the person's political opinion even matter if the product is good quality ? 20 years ago, nobody used to care.
Do you would like to use a software or website made by MechaHitler ?
Me no. And 20 or 30 years some people used to care about that stuff. The same thing could be said about if it's opensource or not.
PD: So yes, I don't have any account now on that site that was called "Twitter".
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I remember the times, too, when the person behind the code did not matter. The code did.
I had to google the controversy, found one dedicated blog site page about it, read it thoroughly and think it is insane to call this dude controversial based on what I read on https://hyperborea.org/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity... I'm tired of people who are doing such great work being labeled politically over things like pronoun preferences and somehow this is supposed to make us wish for the projects failu…