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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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XorNot wrote: post #305
bonoboTP wrote: post #303

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No, sending a pdf by email is no extra cost. They already have an email output interface for tickets and recipts and confirmations. It's all about better tracking. I'm not quite sure what additional info they get exactly, but tons and tons of mobile websites (that work and don't get deleted) are close to unusable due to a barrage of popups telling you to use the app (e.g. Reddit and other socials). Also there is no i…

As an SRE I can assure you that "sending a PDF by email" is far from free to support, and anything email is pretty much top of the list to eliminate.

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Post by sally_glance »

XorNot wrote: post #296
wkat4242 wrote: post #281

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A BIG reason these companies like Ryanair want you to use their app its that it's much easier to collect data about you than through a website :(

No, it's a cost cutting measure. App-only reduces support and development costs with whoever they're outsourcing this too. There's a line item which basically said "mobile web" and they wanted it gone to save some number of dollars per year.

We (software agency) recently encountered this line of argument for the first time here in Germany.

It definitely reduces costs to swap 3 platform support to 2, but it still came as a kind of surprise to me. They (customer) poured years and seven digit figures into the web-based version which is now effectively going to be trashed. The current prod metrics are not supporting the 90% mobile thesis... I guess they just have high confidence that it will become true soon.

I'm wondering if these are the first signs of an age-based bias I have and the next generation just can't really imagine a majority of users using desktop PCs.

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Post by lucb1e »

mrtksn wrote: post #309
lucb1e wrote: post #287

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I can't find which document it was specifically, but I seem to remember that the hackers' ethos always been that it doesn't matter who you are, what your title is or skin looks like, but that your arguments are to be valued by its merit rather than by who says it. Age seems like another one of these properties you are stuck with

I agree with that, I'm not arguing for discrediting arguments by age and ask for authority of the elders or something of that sort. Age provides context, it's helpful with facilitating the conversation in a healthier manner. Just the other day I was having an intense argument with someone on reddit, at some point it occurred to me that they don't understand because they are too young(checked the profile, definitely s…

Thanks for the elaborate and thoughtful reply! I have little to add to the bigger paragraphs, but about the question at the end: I've been wondering the same and think it must be an information age thing. Not in the abstract or the "kids these days" sense, but in that everything is stored somewhere and processed in invisible ways

I don't remember caring that someone took a picture of me with their Nokia when I know that they'll at worst share it to a handful of people via Bluetooth or try to upload it to a friend's MSN channel via GPRS. It won't be uploaded to Facebook, facial-recognized, and stuffed into a global database. Or visiting websites: I operate a website and I know you can parse which pages I viewed straight from the access logs. I don't mind, you can see what paths I took through the website and you might learn how to make a better flow. But technically, drilling down to such an individual user level is tracking based on personal identifiers and so would require consent under 2018's GDPR. I'm happy that it now does because I don't want Google to track every page I visit, and ~everyone uses Google Analytics because then you get perks like knowing what search queries you are doing well on (how convenient that google removed referrers for privacy)

I don't really have a solid answer -- why do I care about Facebook and Google but not about John "Malicious Sysadmin" Doe? -- but maybe it makes sense on some level. I need to think about it more still

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Post by johnnyanmac »

XorNot wrote: post #296
wkat4242 wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A BIG reason these companies like Ryanair want you to use their app its that it's much easier to collect data about you than through a website :(

No, it's a cost cutting measure. App-only reduces support and development costs with whoever they're outsourcing this too. There's a line item which basically said "mobile web" and they wanted it gone to save some number of dollars per year.

Ther's a line between "we don't support this platform" and actively making it hostile to try and use a platform. It may have even taken extra development time to make sure they can reject showing the QR code on a webpage, if their app is just serving that same web page.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

card_zero wrote: post #251
bonoboTP wrote: post #249

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There's little competition pressure because consumers don't care. I guess the standard theory says that the buck ends there. If people are fine with it, it's fine.

Now you're talking! People suck, it's their fault.

There have been very few policies truly passed because "everyone wanted it". It always starts with some "radical" minority bringing the idea to light and then campaigning for it. Even if the thing is obvious.

The former happening would make so many things easier.

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Post by mrtksn »

lucb1e wrote: post #315
mrtksn wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with that, I'm not arguing for discrediting arguments by age and ask for authority of the elders or something of that sort. Age provides context, it's helpful with facilitating the conversation in a healthier manner. Just the other day I was having an intense argument with someone on reddit, at some point it occurred to me that they don't understand because they are too young(checked the profile, definitely s…

Thanks for the elaborate and thoughtful reply! I have little to add to the bigger paragraphs, but about the question at the end: I've been wondering the same and think it must be an information age thing. Not in the abstract or the "kids these days" sense, but in that everything is stored somewhere and processed in invisible ways I don't remember caring that someone took a picture of me with their Nokia when I know t…

I think the problem is that the new communication methods are allowing for new modes of communications that we lack tools for dealing with malicious actors(like IRL when someone lies constantly, we know how to work with that person but we don't know how to deal with someone from the other side of the world who lies as a full time occupation preying for attention). The newer generation people are less and less interested with "talking to strangers" as the environment become too toxic and goal(like promoting a product or pushing an agenda) oriented when the internet became mainstream with the proliferation of 3G and iPhone/Android. IMHO There are not many real people out there, most people who create content are doing it as a job or as a side hustle and those who provide the platform treat people as numbers, probably not much different than butchers who are just trying to produce some meat so they don't see the animals as live being. Plus, there are psychos all over the place who are trying to harm people for entertainment.

As a result, real people are having real talk in the safety group chats where they know the members to som degree, IIUC.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by emigre »

irusensei wrote: post #294
emigre wrote: post #256

I think that the European Digital Identity project should not be hosting its source code and content related to European standards, guidelines, and initiatives on GitHub, a closed source product owned by Microsoft.

Quick! Save the EU from Microsoft by cloning it to your hard drive so the code can be safe and sound. Nah seriously this doesn't really apply to Git.

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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by generic92034 »

okanat wrote: post #208
xxs wrote: post #185

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Of course in the EU - pretty much all Baltic and Nordic countries support id cards connected via usb

Well not in Germany. Some banks accept their branded authenticators, some of them don't. ING in Germany forces you to either have a single Google approved smartphone or a single authenticator, not both. DKB requires a paid Girocard to use the authenticator or a Google approved smartphone. N26 requires a single phone but they are a bit lenient. However they have way too many incidents reported where they closed people…

> So one is forced to choose between modern banks with better online experience that's tied to Google and Apple or a traditional bank with oftentimes awful online experience and high fees.

I do not understand how you are coming to that conclusion regarding modern banks. You can use the authentication device, which is completely independent of Google or Apple.

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