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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by ajuc »

chabska wrote: post #221
adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

> Nobody should be expected to take that risk I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea, with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government. Their authoritarian militaristic government that doesn't care for human rights…

You misunderstand the goal of the sanctions.

Sanctions are there to cut off 1-2% of GDP each year from the dictatorships' economies.

Over 30 years that turns countries into harmless (to the West) backwater shitholes.

The consequences towards the local populations are just a side-effect (sometimes wanted, sometimes not).

You cannot expect people outside of your dicatorship to prioritize your well being over their own safety. It's on you to fix your country. If you won't - people will isolate you to keep their countries safe.

Can't really blame them.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by xvfLJfx9 »

raincole wrote: post #281
wojciii wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukrainian sanctions work. Ask a russian about the price of fuel. The European sanctions are more of a joke. I you want to Ukraine to win donate to them directly instead of waiting for the cowardly politicians to get their act together.

Work? Let's not kid ourselves. Russia is still killing Ukrainians right now. They're still occupying Ukraine's land right now. Is this what "work" looks like in your dictionary? > Ask a russian about the price of fuel. Oh I see. In your dictionary a working solution is not to stop the war or get lands back, but to ensure average Russian people suffer. Never mind then.

Oil is how Russia funds their war-machine. Bombing refineries makes it harder and less sustainable to keep the war going. It's not about making civilians suffer when you literally need to pressure the enemy into stopping the war by blowing up their infrastructure.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by gruez »

Keirmot wrote: post #279
heyheyhouhou wrote: post #192

Iranian IPs are blocked here, due to your decision to arm Russia with drones so that they can indiscriminately massacre civilians. I always find amusing how the west always blames the people of the rivals "iranians", the "chinese", etc but when something is wrong with their side they blame an entity to detach themselves "the american government", "this administration", "nazi germany", etc

This comment is disingenuous. In everyday speech, people don’t carefully separate “the people” from “the state.” A French person talking about the U.S. usually says les Américains. A German talking about the French will just say die Franzosen — or, if they’re in the mood to tease, die Froschfresser. It’s only in news or diplomatic language that you see “the American government,” “the French government,” or “London” w…

>In everyday speech, people don’t carefully separate “the people” from “the state.” ...

That might make sense if the email stopped at "Iranian IPs", but it continued with "... due to your decision ..." (emphasis mine). That makes it sound like the author is personally responsible.

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Post by bambax »

drstewart wrote: post #308
bambax wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also interesting if the comment comes from a US person, given that the US are primarily responsible for the political situation in Iran.

Why is it interesting? I thought the common people aren't responsible for the actions of their government?

Where you get confused is with the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship.

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Post by itake »

pessimizer wrote: post #301
itake wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how did their feet vote? The last time (and current time) a president was in power that I didn't agree with (and didn't vote for), I left. As a citizen, I can't fully escape taxes, but I will be my darnedest to reduce my taxable burden when I don't approve of the government.

So being an elite who escapes the consequences of what elites have done is a virtue that should be rewarded? Why would people look up to a runner? Most people don't have anywhere else to go, and love where they're from.

The USA is full of people that left their home country with nothing because they disagreed with how their home country is managed. For example, the Vietnamese boat people. I hardly consider that cohort of immigrants 'elite'.

Taiwan is another example. Taiwan wouldn't exist if it wasn't for mainlanders voting with their feet.

> love where they're from

yes. that is the problem...

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by lazide »

pessimizer wrote: post #298
lazide wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is the weirdest thing involving the US you’re aware of right now, I’d highly recommend continuing to ignore the news.

You seem to love your television. I'm a middle-aged black American, I don't think Jimmy Kimmel and tariffs are worse than the what slavery and the US justice system has done to black people. I can understand if you're worried about your favorite programs being disrupted, though.

If you’re a black American and you think tariffs and Jimmy Kimmel (as in the individual, not what the ‘system’ being aimed at him is) is what I’m talking about, I’m really shocked.

Do you remember what happened the last time the FBI, CIA, etc. got used the way it is now? Hint: several high profile black Americans got assassinated. Among other crazy others.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by e-khadem »

jwr wrote: post #251
bez00m wrote: post #149

As someone who also sees this kind of messages fairly often, I always wondered about companies/individuals who voluntarily (not being forced by law, that's another story) block their users by IPs coming from bad countries... The message always goes along the lines of "you're murderer and rapist, we hate you". I still need to find a person who managed to change their political stance after seeing something similar. I…

> just an advice to all wannabe overseas-dictatorship-overthrowers - be nice, try to educate the people, don't make assumptions about person's wrongdoings and awareness based on their IP I can guarantee that your views would change very quickly if bombs started falling closer to where you sit and killing your friends and people you know.

Believe it or not, the 12 day war between Iran and Israel was exactly that, and the reaction of the Iranian people was not as uniform (in either way) as one might guess. You could walk on the streets and see some "Hit them Israel" and other similar writings on the walls (the Iranian people were not exactly pro Israel before the war). And yet people could not sleep due to constant bombardment, they had to follow the evacuation orders by the IDF etc.

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Post by dustedcodes »

This works as designed. Sanctions like these are meant to piss off the people living in terrorist states so that you either rise up and rid yourself of all terrorist roots or you accept that the rest of the world doesn’t want to play ball with terrorists or terrorist enablers.

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Post by nashashmi »

chabska wrote: post #221
adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

> Nobody should be expected to take that risk I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea, with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government. Their authoritarian militaristic government that doesn't care for human rights…

> with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government.

Is this really a US endeavor by policy?

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by torben-friis »

abc123abc123 wrote: post #297
tsimionescu wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The poster above was pointing out that this is a double standard. You don't expect a US citizen to risk their livelihood to help an Iranian, but you then expect an Iranian citizen to risk their livelihood AND life to topple a regime that is doing things that the USA doesn't like. So, you either take personal responsibility for enforcing sanctions yourself, or you admit that sanctions are a form of collective punishme…

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>If you don't like it, move to another country, and then it is not your responsibility any longer.

I’m not sure you understand how authoritarian regimes work. Or that you care about understanding, for that matter.

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