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Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by fourthark »

marcosdumay wrote: post #283
thw_9a83c wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently people don't like the name "ECMA" because it's too close to "Eczema" which is a nasty dry/itchy skin problem. And I agree, because I have it too.

It looks too much like "Acme" so it gets confused as a joke about cartoons. It looks too much like "acne", that is a too common skin problem, and it looks too much like "eczema" that is a rarer nasty-looking skin problem. Whoever created that name should get a prize. Anyway, the community not adopting that brand doesn't mean one can't rebrand JS.

AcmeScript!

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by Marsymars »

pyuser583 wrote: post #169

JavaScript isn't a generic term. There aren't lots of JavaScripts. Just the one. If Oracle is going to lose the trademark, which it probably should, the reasoning could be better. How about the fact that Oracle doesn't really offer a service called JavaScript. Isn't abandonment a reason to lose trademark? "Google" has become a generic term for search engine, like "Jello", "Kleenex", "Kool-Aid," etc. "JavaScript" isn'…

The grounds for cancellation in the USPTO letter are from both abandonment and genericism (and “fraud on the USPTO”), and Deno’s open letter to Oracle mostly touches on the abandonment issue.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by LelouBil »

fourthark wrote: post #311
marcosdumay wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks too much like "Acme" so it gets confused as a joke about cartoons. It looks too much like "acne", that is a too common skin problem, and it looks too much like "eczema" that is a rarer nasty-looking skin problem. Whoever created that name should get a prize. Anyway, the community not adopting that brand doesn't mean one can't rebrand JS.

AcmeScript!

Every line of code has a chance to explode in your face.

...

Wait that's just normal JavaScript-

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by leptons »

cryptos wrote: post #52

The simple solution is to write everything (for the browser) in TypeScript instead and treat JavaScript only as the compilation target noone actually talks about. And compiling to JavaScript might also become a thing of the past with Webassembly. So, I think we shouldn't care about JavaScript as a name.

Not everyone doing things on the web is a pro developer using typescript. There are millions of use cases for plain-old javascript in the browser to get work done, probably many more cases of that than there are pro developers using typescript.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by gertop »

thw_9a83c wrote: post #209
TZubiri wrote: post #203

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Sure, let me just rename all of my file extensions and parsers to .ws and then handle the collisions with websockets paths and then revert it all back to how it was before I touched anything

So you think that Oracle must receive $200k, and that's the only way you can keep the legacy `.js` extension for your files.

The money isn't going to Oracle. It will be going to Deno's lawyers and, to a smaller extent, the US government.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by pjmlp »

indigodaddy wrote: post #300
pjmlp wrote: post #295

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It looks more like they aren't getting the adoption that they need, so they go after theater like this, instead of giving us reasons why we should talk IT into allowing Deno in our OS images instead of Node.js. Who cares if it is JavaScript, ECMAScript, JScript, WhateverScript.

This is a bit of a humorous comment considering the current NPM drama.

That drama could happen in any ecosystem where developers shoot from the hip adding dependencies without second thought, the same that thought curl | sudo sh is a good idea to start with.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by hnlmorg »

moralestapia wrote: post #259
hnlmorg wrote: post #249

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JS would be hard to trademark now because there’s so many other services using JS as part of their trademark. There’s also already quite a few companies who’ve already registered JS as a trademark. You also couldn’t call it Jscript because Microsoft owns the trademark there. EMCAScript is the most practical from a legal standpoint, but that name sucks badly.

Yeah, but that's what is needed. An un-trademark-eable term.

What you need is the opposite: a trademarked name but one where a community-managed nonprofit foundation owns.

That’s how other languages (eg Perl and Python) manage their assets. And the ecosystem is better for it.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by fatata123 »

Illniyar wrote: post #42

I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by afiori »

coldtea wrote: post #294
johnfn wrote: post #223

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You seem to be implying that it is bad because it is marketing, and marketing is bad. But not all forms of marketing are bad. This is a classic association fallacy[1]. In this case, Deno can both improve perception of their brand and reclaim "JavaScript" -- it's a win-win. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

> But not all forms of marketing are bad. This is a classic association fallacy This is the classic "I'd accused your argument of being a fallacy so you're wrong and I'm right fallacy". Nah, all forms of marketing are bad.

Marketing is a very wide field, even focusing on good service and good product is a form of marketing
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