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Re: EU Chat Control: Germany's position has been reverted to undecided

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Post by gusfoo »

codeptualize wrote: post #26

One interesting line in the proposal: > Detection will not apply to accounts used by the State for national security purposes, maintaining law and order or military purposes; If it's all very safe and accurate, why is this exception necessary? Doesn't this say either that it's not secure, or that there is a likely hood that there will be false positives that will be reviewed? If they have it all figured out, this exc…

> If it's all very safe and accurate, why is this exception necessary?

Because you'd be massively adding an attack surface on to National Security elements for no benefit to National Security.

Re: EU Chat Control: Germany's position has been reverted to undecided

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Post by rightbyte »

trilogic wrote: post #252
rightbyte wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Backdoor kinda implies it is not used very much or it would be a front door.

But it is available for use. Corruption is not a fantasy but a reality. Usually who reach the top on political scale have seen it all, I mean all. Being polite to describe this reality use cases, (inside trading, political targeting, discrimination, monopoly etc). Who would know, who can stop it, who would dare! What are the protection mechanisms? Are we suppose to hope that the untouchable/s is 100% honest? It feels…

I was arguing if the "backdoor" is not secret or atleast seldomly used it is a ordinary door.

Chat Control would always spy on people and thus not be a backdoor.

Re: EU Chat Control: Germany's position has been reverted to undecided

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Post by graemep »

delusional wrote: post #219
graemep wrote: post #93

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Do those numbers include the UK when it was in the EU? Obviously removing a large pool of sceptics would shift the numbers. The "positive" number has recovered from a low in the wake of the Eurozone crisis but is still fallen significantly from the pre-crisis level of around 50%. It would be interesting to see a breakdown by country - The EU's own report suggests very big variations between countries: https://op.euro…

The current "positive" number from spring 2025 is actually 52%, only 5 points down from the highest number in the past 20 years, and the second highest trust number in the same time period. Sure, the eurozone debt crisis of the 2010s was rough for the trust mumbers, taking them down to 33% but they've fully recovered from that.

You are looking at this: https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3572

it seems to be using a different measure (numbers do not match the link I posted) and I cannot see any numbers from 20 years ago.

There is graph from 2012 but that is from the low (if you look at my link).

Have a missed a pre-crisis comparable number in skimming it? If not, then what I see is still a significant decline over the last 20 years in the net positive.

IMO the Eurozone is very likely to have further crises. The architects of the Euro expected a greater degree of fiscal union but that never happened. A single currency without a large central budget is a mistake and makes it much harder to correct instability.

Re: EU Chat Control: Germany's position has been reverted to undecided

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Post by vorpalhex »

ookdatnog wrote: post #273
vorpalhex wrote: post #238

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Khalil also gave material support to terrorists which is explicitly called out as a no-no on your residency paperwork.

That would be a crime. Khalil was not charged with any crime. The only conceivable reason to not charge him at this point, is because there is no evidence of him committing a crime.

The admin doesn't have to charge him, they can just revoke his visa and deport him.

He passed out written Hezbollah materials. Like with their name, flag and logo on it.

He shouldn't go to jail, but he is no longer welcome in this country.

Re: EU Chat Control: Germany's position has been reverted to undecided

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Post by littlecranky67 »

rollcat wrote: post #169
littlecranky67 wrote: post #60

Can someone please explain to me how that law will prevent anything or anybody from encrypted messaging, if I can just whip up a website and use javascript plus websockets/webrtc to implement encrypted chat? Like, yes, you can prevent the FANANG from implementing it, but criminals will just use the secure one...

> [...] I can just whip up a website and use javascript plus websockets/webrtc to implement encrypted chat? HTTPS relies on centralised authority. It's right there in the name: Certificate Authority. Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is a phone call when you are unable to speak?

chrome --disable-web-security

Here, fixed it for you Mr. Criminal.

Re: EU Chat Control: Germany's position has been reverted to undecided

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Post by delusional »

graemep wrote: post #313
delusional wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current "positive" number from spring 2025 is actually 52%, only 5 points down from the highest number in the past 20 years, and the second highest trust number in the same time period. Sure, the eurozone debt crisis of the 2010s was rough for the trust mumbers, taking them down to 33% but they've fully recovered from that.

You are looking at this: https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3572 it seems to be using a different measure (numbers do not match the link I posted) and I cannot see any numbers from 20 years ago. There is graph from 2012 but that is from the low (if you look at my link). Have a missed a pre-crisis comparable number in skimming it? If not, then what I see is still a significant decline over the last 20 year…

I'm looking at the "standard barometer 103 - Spring 2025"[1] which lines up with the first graph in the "standard barometer 101" you linked.

> A single currency without a large central budget is a mistake and makes it much harder to correct instability.

That's an opinion. You're free to have that opinion, but trust/distrust of the European Union has little to do with that opinion.

[1]: https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3372

Re: EU Chat Control: Germany's position has been reverted to undecided

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #284
AlecSchueler wrote: post #236

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I understand that but I'm asking what might be hoped to be triggered.

This forum has rules that would make this impossible to honestly answer, I imagine.

People are allowed to talk about voting here.

Re: EU Chat Control: Germany's position has been reverted to undecided

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Post by impossiblefork »

philipallstar wrote: post #145
impossiblefork wrote: post #124

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No. The EU isn't a federation, there's no supremacy class. The member countries are sovereign and obviously can't go against their constitutions or basic laws.

> there's no supremacy class What does "supremacy class" mean?

I mean supremacy clause, a US law with which I made an analogy.

Re: EU Chat Control: Germany's position has been reverted to undecided

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Post by impossiblefork »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #180
impossiblefork wrote: post #124

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No. The EU isn't a federation, there's no supremacy class. The member countries are sovereign and obviously can't go against their constitutions or basic laws.

> The member countries are sovereign and obviously can't go against their constitutions or basic laws False. > The principle was derived from an interpretation of the European Court of Justice, which ruled that European law has priority over any contravening national law, including the constitution of a member state itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_European_Union_law

Mm.

That is sort of like a supremacy clause, and of course it's valid for the EU.

But that doesn't mean that a Swedish or German etc. court can let that override our basic law. Our basic law is after all the foundation of our law, so if something conflicts with that, it obviously can't be valid.

Re: EU Chat Control: Germany's position has been reverted to undecided

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #317
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This forum has rules that would make this impossible to honestly answer, I imagine.

People are allowed to talk about voting here.

I believe their insinuation was political violence.
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