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Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by dylan604 »

arbitrary_name wrote: post #299
hx8 wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just googled "How do tariffs work?" I got hit with several college level vocabulary words describing tariffs in both the AI summary and my first result. It might be less of a problem, if we had adequately funded schools.

Google, what's a "college level vocabulary word"? For crying out loud, information is so accessible. The inability to find and discern at least some level of truth (or at least gather multiple contrasting perspectives) is laziness, AND stupidity. I'm all for better schools, a better information ecosystem, and more tolerance, but why are we bending over backwards to tell malignantly underinformed people it's not their…

AND stupidity is you being intentionally ignorant.

People have much better things to do than look up words, look for dissenting opinions one something the face on their TV tells them. There's taking the kids to _______ practice. There's TV shows to keep up with. There's an infinite feed of content to scroll through. There's plenty of other things that they would prefer to do themselves than whatever it is you would prefer them to do. That does not qualify as stupid. To me, what is stupid, is everyone here calling others that have differing view points than their own stupid. You are willingly using that term in the same way you say they are willfully not looking things up.

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Post by tester756 »

Havoc wrote: post #273
tester756 wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Latest mindfactory data suggests that in gaming consumer space is now 96% AMD, 4% Intel. Seriously: That makes you think that this data is representative?

Mindfactory is widely used as proxy because its pretty much the only public data source on this that publishes monthly If you have a better source I'm all ears

If we know that source is not representative, then why bother with drawing conclusions as extreme?

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Post by IAmGraydon »

Waterluvian wrote: post #180
duxup wrote: post #2

This whole economy by corruption and coercion is not going to work out.

I’m convinced that this is all what it looks like to live through the end of an empire (or whatever term you’d like). I think our lives are short enough that it can be easy to perceive something like America as “always was, always will be” and the rest is just trivia you learn in history class.

You wouldn’t have said that before Trump took office, so it seems to me that it’s one idiot causing all of the problems and not the kind of slow decline that happens over a long time span when an empire falls. What Trump is, is not compatible with who we are as a country and I’m confident he is going to bring about his own undoing when the economy really starts falling apart.

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Post by KerrAvon »

mathiaspoint wrote: post #267
DiddlyWinks wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I was not under the impression that we had anything truly competitive. Could we make an iPhone, for example, using only U.S.-made chips?

We couldn't make an iPhone because apple would refuse to cooperate, not because of a technical limitation. We could make a similarly capable phone though.

Oh? How many Android phones are made in America?

How about the new Trump phone?

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by KerrAvon »

mathiaspoint wrote: post #267
DiddlyWinks wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I was not under the impression that we had anything truly competitive. Could we make an iPhone, for example, using only U.S.-made chips?

We couldn't make an iPhone because apple would refuse to cooperate, not because of a technical limitation. We could make a similarly capable phone though.

Seriously, what is your basis for the assertion that we could do it here and Apple just doesn't wanna?

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Post by kelnos »

dylan604 wrote: post #297
arbitrary_name wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While i take your point about playing nice, it has a lot to do with stupidity: specifically ignorance, intellectual laziness, lack of curiosity, bias, anti intellectualism, inability to think abstractly, lack of education, lack of critical thinking, ideology, and a host of other things. Almost all of which correlate in some way to 'stupidity'. I posit that your first line is wildly wrong, but your message is broadly…

Just because someone has a different point of view than yours does not make them stupid. I know plenty of people that have different views of mine that are much smarter than I am, and engaging with them leads to interesting conversations. I can still think they are "wrong" at the end of these conversations, but I'd never call them stupid. Hell, the lottery is often described as a tax on poor people. Yet the vast majo…

> Just because someone has a different point of view than yours does not make them stupid.

True, but I'm not sure what that proves. Some people who have different points of view than I do have come to those points of view via reasonable means, and some of their PoVs might even be more consistent with reality than some of mine.

But some people are actually just stupid. Sometimes it's for understandable reasons, but sometimes it's for reasons that the GP laid out, and that's sad and unfortunate, and makes life difficult for the rest of us. I think there are a lot of people like this, and I'm afraid that public policy is in no small part driven by these people's susceptibility to propaganda, and their inability to think critically.

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Post by alephnerd »

lanthissa wrote: post #259
cherryteastain wrote: post #32

Tariffs kinda make sense when you have a deficit in a widely available item. Big trade deficit with Bangladesh? Sure you can buy cheap textiles from Thailand or Vietnam or something. Unfortunately this approach does not work when you lack a viable domestic alternative and you're up against a monopoly. What will the US do if TSMC does not blink? Not buy TSMC made chips? Obviously that is impossible, so the logical con…

tsmc(taiwan) will blink for the same reason europe did and japan did, and for the same reason india and brazil did not. when you take a step back and look at the deal breakdown, this is protection money not a trade negotiation.

> the same reason india and brazil did not.

India's issues with the US are for completely separate reason.

Bihar elections are coming up in 2 months [2]. Any incumbent government in India can't give trade concessions on agriculture during peak campaigning season in a swing state that can impact elections in 2-3 additional states as well as the general election in 4 years.

The main Indian exports to the US (pharma, electronics, and services) are all tariff exempted so the economic pain is marginal.

The only export that's hurt is textiles, but frankly, textile workers don't matter in Indian elections, especially when most of them leave for 3-4 months each year to work on the family farm and get social benefits based on their agrarian status and voter rolls that they never updated.

Realistically, India and US will sign a deal either after the Bihar elections, or after making ag/dairy a separate track from the rest of the deal.

Trump needs to keep the cheeseheads of Wisconsin happy just like the NDA needs to keep Bihari farmers happy through direct subsidizes [0] and hardline agriculture policies [1], hence why both the US and India will maintain maximalist positions on agriculture and dairy.

My hunch is a comprehensive deal will be announced during the election media blackout in the run-up of the Bihar elections or shortly after the election.

[0] - https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/prime-minister-narend...

[1] - https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/why-makhan...

[2] - https://www.eci.gov.in/election-symbol-details/2066

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by kashunstva »

mathiaspoint wrote: post #267
DiddlyWinks wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I was not under the impression that we had anything truly competitive. Could we make an iPhone, for example, using only U.S.-made chips?

We couldn't make an iPhone because apple would refuse to cooperate, not because of a technical limitation. We could make a similarly capable phone though.

> … because apple would refuse to cooperate…

Apple’s putative refusal to cooperate is surely not the only barrier here. I doubt U.S. consumers would pay a premium for a U.S. iPhone whether Apple thought it wise or not. But when the U.S. president’s branded Made in America phone comes out later this year I guess we’ll see. I’m sure the release is just around the corner.

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