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Lina Khan points to Figma IPO as vindication of M&A scrutiny

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It just happened with Windsurf and Google.

Windsurf getting "bought" such that the employees got nothing is a great recent example of why you want Lina Khan seeing to it that a healthy and well-regulated M&A market is in effect. That's precisely the kind of lowbrow shit you can thank her bought and paid for successors for bringing you the next decade's worth of.

So now you think the government should stop companies from hiring people?

Isn’t that the sane thing we (rightfully) criticized Apple, Google, Adobe and a few other companies for doing in the Jobs era when they had an anti poaching agreement?

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So now the monopolies are just hiring away all of the people they want from the startup and leaving the company as a shell of its former self - leaving both investors and the employees left behind high and dry.

If it keeps up, it's only a matter of time before startups stop being able to hire top talent.

Most startup hiring has always been a scam for the idealistic where people would be better off statistically by just working for a publicly traded tech company that put RSUs in your brokerage account that you could immediately sell (and should) diversify once you are vested.

In my latter years of my career, I’ve been offered “great opportunities” at a startup that paid less in cash for more responsibilities than I was making as a mid level employee (cash + RSUs) at BigTech when I was there.

Of course they promised “equity” that was illiquid and probably would have been worthless.

Re: Lina Khan points to Figma IPO as vindication of M&A scrutiny

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There is another side to this coin: Figma's gain here is Adboe's loss. It doesn't make sense to use market-caps of specific companies as yardsticks of consumer welfare, which is the ultimate measure which antitrust actions seek to maximize. The tradeoffs of allowing or preventing the merger are more abstract and counterfactual. We cannot know for sure what the world in which Adobe successfully acquired Figma would lo…

We can’t know what would have happened exactly, but can be certain there would have been less competition if Adobe had acquired Figma. We can’t know for sure whether increased competition is going to lead to a better outcome here, but we can say with a high level of certainty that more competition usually leads to better outcomes. The fact that this also turned out to be fantastic for investors is just icing on the c…

Fantastic for investors in Figma specifically, not so fantastic for investors in Adobe. My point is that the IPO price and subsequent price increase are not themselves proof (or even relevant) that preventing the merger was a good thing.

There most likely would have been fewer firms if the merger went through (though it could be possible that more competitors enter the market in that alternate timeline). Idk if that constitutes less competition necessarily, and competition understood as number of firms or something similar certainly doesn't always lead to better outcomes.

In the cases of "natural monopolies", consumer welfare is maximized when one firm is able to realize all the economies of scale because the benefits of mass production are so large that goods/services can only be produced at the lowest cost with sufficient consolidation. Utilities like electricity and water are often used as examples of natural monopolies.

You did say usually in fairness and I'd agree that increased competition usually leads to better outcomes. And we usually see multiple firms competing in any given industry without antitrust intervention.

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It absolutely proves that she was right. If you care about market cap? She was right. If you care about employee comp? She was right. If you care about consumer choice, she was right. Number of listings, new potential acquirers for your startup, more diverse office geography, right right right right. The idea that there's a significant lobby on fucking Hacker News unhappy that a startup IPO'd for a zillion bucks and…

It wasn’t the outcome, it was the bad reasoning and the overall desire for interference Does it really matter if Figma was bought vs IPO? No of course not. Khan just needs a poster child for her overall intervention philosophy. Pointing at Figma as a success for her overall world view is like the religious who say “oh god saved me from that flood” while ignoring the hundreds who did die. The Almighty wanted them to d…

It doesn't matter per se if Figma is bought instead of an IPO. It does matter that Adobe was about to pay about one third the fair market price of Figma, and she successfully stopped this market manipulation.

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You do not "receive" VC, you sell shares (and control). You write as if it's some sort of grant that Figma uniquely got access to.

I think the more common term is to "raise money". But at the end, you receive money that you should spend. With strings attached, of course. That’s the nature of VC.

Yes but that's pretty common and in no way an unfair advantage.

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Why should a regulator interfere with the free market in this example?

The idea is to interfere in the free market of buying software companies in order to maintain the free market of software.

Adobe buying Figma at that time looked likely to reduce competition in the "creative" software market.

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I think you're hitting the real divide here. Some people are so ideologically opposed to any regulatory intervention that they can't admit when it works, even when the evidence is staring them in the face. Also notable [0]: "[...] in any given year, we see up to 3,000 merger filings that get reported to us. Around 2% of those actually get a second look by the government, so you have 98% of all deals that, for the mos…

So now the monopolies are just hiring away all of the people they want from the startup and leaving the company as a shell of its former self - leaving both investors and the employees left behind high and dry.

> So now the monopolies are just hiring away all of the people they want from the startup and leaving the company as a shell of its former self

I thought they were dumping everyone at the moment. Unless you’re an AI researcher.

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It's never made sense for me (as a gay man) how a gay man could get sucked into the fringe alt right manosphere. That whole ecosystem is antithetical to you

I mean, these people aren't well my guy. It's not a huge stretch to imagine a bunch of repressed self-loathing around one's identity being at or near the core of it. Thiel grew up in the 90s. Whatever one deems the tolerance situation today, it was worse then.

More like the 80s but true. Also maybe worth remembering that Thiel was outed by Gawker. He didn't come out as gay of his own volition and perhaps never would have.

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We can’t know what would have happened exactly, but can be certain there would have been less competition if Adobe had acquired Figma. We can’t know for sure whether increased competition is going to lead to a better outcome here, but we can say with a high level of certainty that more competition usually leads to better outcomes. The fact that this also turned out to be fantastic for investors is just icing on the c…

Fantastic for investors in Figma specifically, not so fantastic for investors in Adobe. My point is that the IPO price and subsequent price increase are not themselves proof (or even relevant) that preventing the merger was a good thing. There most likely would have been fewer firms if the merger went through (though it could be possible that more competitors enter the market in that alternate timeline). Idk if that…

It’s not proof that blocking the merger was good, but it does undermine many of the arguments against blocking it.

I’m all for the government getting out of the way of business, but we’ve seen a large amount of consolidation in many software categories.

Adobe’s market share is pretty extreme already in the creative software space, and I think it is reasonable for the government to step in to try to prevent further consolidation.

I agree with you that it’s really unknowable whether blocking or not blocking was a better choice. But if we only made decisions based on knowing the outcome, we’d never do anything.

Re: Lina Khan points to Figma IPO as vindication of M&A scrutiny

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I mean, these people aren't well my guy. It's not a huge stretch to imagine a bunch of repressed self-loathing around one's identity being at or near the core of it. Thiel grew up in the 90s. Whatever one deems the tolerance situation today, it was worse then.

More like the 80s but true. Also maybe worth remembering that Thiel was outed by Gawker. He didn't come out as gay of his own volition and perhaps never would have.

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