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Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by recursive »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #304
recursive wrote: post #303

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I didn't participate. I probably wouldn't have done well. I disagree with your framing.

Well, wait, if somebody writes a computer program that answers 5 of 6 IMO questions/proofs correctly, and you don't consider it an "advance," what would qualify? Either both AI teams cheated, in which case there's nothing to worry about, or they didn't, in which case you've set a pretty high bar. Where is that bar, exactly? What exactly does it take to justify blowing off copyright law in the larger interest of progr…

The technology is capable in a way that never existed before. We haven't yet begun to see the impacts of that. I don't think it will be a good for humanity.

Social networks as they exist today represent technology that didn't exist decades ago. I wouldn't call it an "advancement" though. I think social media is terrible for humans in aggregate.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by snickerdoodle12 »

gruez wrote: post #309
snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #306

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> If you're caught with AV gear in a movie theater once, you'd likely be ejected and banned from the establishment/chain, not have the FBI/MPAA go after you for piracy Good example, because this is exactly what websites are doing with LLM companies, who are doing their damnest to evade the blocks. Which brings us back around to "trespassing" or the CFAA or whatever.

>Which brings us back around to "trespassing" or the CFAA or whatever. That argument is pretty much dead after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Buren_v._United_States and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HiQ_Labs_v._LinkedIn

https://www.rvo.nl/onderwerpen/octrooien-ofwel-patenten/vorm...

I'll leave all other jurisdictions up to you.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by HWR_14 »

brookst wrote: post #296
snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #295

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> Besides, if it really bothered you, then we might not see this weird tone-switch from one sentence to the next, where you seem to think that piracy is shocking and "something should be done" and then "it's not good tht someone should spend time in jail for it". What gives? What a weirdly condescending way to interpret my post. My point boils down to: Either prosecute copyright infringement or don't. The current sta…

> Either prosecute copyright infringement or don't This is the absolute core of the issue. Technical people see law as code, where context can be disregarded and all that matters is specifying the outputs for a given set of inputs. But law doesn’t work that way, and it should not work that way. Context matters, and it needs to. If you go down the road of “the law is the law and billion dollar companies working on pro…

It doesn't matter whether it's transformative. Copyright covers derivative works.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by snickerdoodle12 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #310
snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #308

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CFAA bans accessing a protected computer without authorization. Hitting URLs denied by robots.txt has been argued to be just that.

> Hitting URLs denied by robots.txt has been argued to be just that. "Has been argued" -- sure, but never successfully; in fact, in HiQ v. LinkedIn, the 9th Circuit ruled (twice, both before and on remand again after and applying the Supreme Court ruling in Van Buren v. US) against a cease and desist on top of robots.txt to stop accessing data on a public website constituting "without authorization" under the CFAA.

Now do every other jurisdiction

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by wormius »

brookst wrote: post #296
snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #295

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> Besides, if it really bothered you, then we might not see this weird tone-switch from one sentence to the next, where you seem to think that piracy is shocking and "something should be done" and then "it's not good tht someone should spend time in jail for it". What gives? What a weirdly condescending way to interpret my post. My point boils down to: Either prosecute copyright infringement or don't. The current sta…

> Either prosecute copyright infringement or don't This is the absolute core of the issue. Technical people see law as code, where context can be disregarded and all that matters is specifying the outputs for a given set of inputs. But law doesn’t work that way, and it should not work that way. Context matters, and it needs to. If you go down the road of “the law is the law and billion dollar companies working on pro…

> But law doesn’t work that way, and it should not work that way. Context matters, and it needs to.

As Anatole France famously quipped:

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by DANmode »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #73
isoprophlex wrote: post #43

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Indeed, with another model I would get persistent transcriptions of silent parts into 'Thanks for watching!' or '[MUSIC]'. Pretty dumb that this failure mode wasn't caught in some QA process, and there are now multiple transcription models suffering from the same issue. Having silent parts in your input audio seems like it should be a very common occurrence...

whisper MUST be combined with silence detection / VAD

What's a good starter VAD lib, and if you know, the best implementation of something like this to use in a browser-based app?

Say if I wanted to use it for Voice Nav, or Voice Input, but not piss off random people speaking the wrong language.

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Post by immibis »

retsibsi wrote: post #146
scotty79 wrote: post #136

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What's insane is copyright. How come you can own intellectual property but not pay a property tax? The ecosystem would be much healthier if to get copyright protections you should declare value of your IP (that you are obligated to sell for if the buyer pops up) and pay tax on this for every year you hold the IP.

> if to get copyright protections you should declare value of your IP (that you are obligated to sell for if the buyer pops up) and pay tax on this for every year you hold the IP I think this would have some unpalatable consequences. Let's say an author is writing a modestly successful book series: it's not going to make them rich, but it's commercially viable and they care a lot about it for its own sake. Under this…

Indeed, this is a general problem with a lot of these schemes.

We shouldn't abandon the line of investigation, however. We should continue thinking of ways to do this until we find one that works well.

There's a chance it ends up being something that requires a judge to interpret each individual case...

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Post by immibis »

gruez wrote: post #213
codedokode wrote: post #209

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Synthesizing chemical substances doesn't involve murdering people though.

Families of fentanyl overdose victims would disagree. Moreover it's not hard to find examples of "legal if the government authorizes it" for killings. Cops and soldiers, for instance.

It takes quite a leap of logic to blame someone ingesting a toxic quantity of a substance on the person who manufactured the substance. When someone drinks bleach do we blame the company that makes the bleach?

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by immibis »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #304
recursive wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't participate. I probably wouldn't have done well. I disagree with your framing.

Well, wait, if somebody writes a computer program that answers 5 of 6 IMO questions/proofs correctly, and you don't consider it an "advance," what would qualify? Either both AI teams cheated, in which case there's nothing to worry about, or they didn't, in which case you've set a pretty high bar. Where is that bar, exactly? What exactly does it take to justify blowing off copyright law in the larger interest of progr…

I notice you've motte-and-baileyed from "revolutionize both the practice and philosophy of computing and advance mankind to the next stage of its own intellectual evolution" to simply "is considered an 'advance'".

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by immibis »

codedokode wrote: post #220
alphan0n wrote: post #193

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No one (in the US) has been jailed for downloading copyrighted material.

There could be a moral question. For example a researcher might not want to download a pirated paper and cause loss to a fellow researcher. But it becomes pretty stupid to pay when everyone, including large reputable companies endorsed by the government, is just downloading the content for free. Maybe his research will help developing faster chips to win against China, why should he pay? Would it be a "fair use" to d…

Researchers don't get paid when their papers are downloaded, though. They pay to have their papers downloaded, and the middleman makes money on both sides. Piracy is the only moral option for them. There is a reason every single competent professor in the western world will email you a free copy of their papers if you ask nicely.
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