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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by ajross » Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 4:56 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #269

ajross wrote: post #196

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Because footage of a downed F-22 and it's captive pilot would be an unspeakable PR disaster relative to the comparatively mild military benefit. Wars aren't, and really never have been, won by blowing stuff up.

USAF has unmanned fighter jets, if that's what you are worried about. > Wars aren't, and really never have been, won by blowing stuff up. That's a huge simplification. Blowing stuff up in a strategic way can certainly help win a war.

> That's a huge simplification. Blowing stuff up in a strategic way can certainly help win a war.

And losing public support for an effort via an embarassing disaster can just as certainly lose it, which was my point.

Yes yes yes, blow stuff up. Take territory, shoot people, yada yada. At some point that has to happen for a "war" to be a "war". But at the end of the day the winner is essentially always predetermined by economics and politics. Making deployment decisions in the absence of those considerations is generally how one loses wars.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by yurish » Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 4:57 PM UTC

libertine wrote: post #274

yurish wrote: post #271

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Please stop spreading this BS. Малороссия ("little" Russia as you say) does not mean what you say.

What does it mean in the current Russian political environment? > The term Little Russia is now anachronistic when used to refer to the country Ukraine and the modern Ukrainian nation, its language, culture, etc. Such usage is typically perceived as conveying an imperialist view that the Ukrainian territory and people ("Little Russians") belong to "one, indivisible Russia".Today, many Ukrainians consider the term dis…

So "The Russian regime (and apparently a lot of Russians) deem Ukrainians as an inferior ethnic group - they call them "little Russians"." it is? And this follows from the link? Have you read it? Really?

The term Малороссия now days is outdated indeed, as wiki says. This term was first introduced not even by Russia but by Byzantine Church and word "мало" ("little" as you "translate" here) means "original" "primordial" to distinct two church branches and then where used to denote parts of Rus' under Polish rule.

Note, the linked article does not say that Russians use this term to denote someone inferior. It says that some Ukrainians consider this word offensive which is not surprising taking into account active propaganda and lack of historical education in masses.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by torginus » Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 4:59 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #235

lnsru wrote: post #2

Working for a company in Germany which is planing production 3 months in advance using printed Excel sheets. The migration of ERP system gone wrong and nobody knows how to fix it. Production management tries to hide this fact and does not talk to the engineering department. This will go for years, consultants will gather their fees for non functional system. Obviously IT infrastructure is not needed for manufacturing…

> The migration of ERP system gone wrong and nobody knows how to fix it. I swear this is SAPs main business model Just endless consulting bills to set it up then fix it when it's delivered in a broken state.

That and 'if you don't use SAP you're not compliant with EU regulation XYZ and we won't do business with you'

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by SJC_Hacker » Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 5:00 PM UTC

v5v3 wrote: post #53

victorbjorklund wrote: post #44

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Russia has 1 million in casualties and has failed to capture Ukraine. You really think you can claim it was a "win" because now all their experienced soldiers are dead and their strategy has been reduced to "run towards the enemy and hopefully some of you won't be killed and thus we can capture another field"?

Russia has a population of 144m. 1m is not a lot Edit: as per my comment below, casualties are not deaths. It's a wider definition.

When you restrict it to fit men of military age (lets be generous here and say 18-55 , even though there is ample evidence of Russian men 60+ signing up), 1 million is quite alot. The Russian population skews older - median age is around 40. There is also a massive gap of of people their 20s-early 30s.

1 million is basically an entire birth year of men ages 30-45, or two entire birth years of their male population from ages 20-30, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#/media/...

Imagine all the men of your entire high school / college graduating class being either killed or seriously wounded so Putin can grab a few thousand km of territory.

Now they could allow women in combat roles, but I severely doubt it for this conflict. It would be extraordinarily unpopular and go against the narrative they have been selling their populace for decades.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by torlok » Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 5:01 PM UTC

hosh wrote: post #307

The headline of the article called these people cyber activists, and in the text of the article, they were called cybercriminals. Which is it? It reminds me a bit with the situation with privateers during the age of sail. These were often people operating at the edge of the law, or even outright outlaws, given a letter of marque, a license to raid warships and commerce against a specific adversary. I'm sure out on th…

Russians are kiling civilians with drones each day. I don't think this is some gray area hybrid warfare, it's just regular people not wanting drones to kill their neighbours.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by TimorousBestie » Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 5:03 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #243

TimorousBestie wrote: post #236

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It’s even worse than that, in the US police have broad latitude to destroy property, kill pets, seize any cash or assets (theoretically related to the crime, but very easy to abuse) and etc. while executing a search, with little to no recourse.

Not just kill pets, but kill people. Even if they raided the wrong home.

Yeah, it’s true.

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Post by torlok » Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 5:06 PM UTC

paganel wrote: post #94

sofixa wrote: post #68

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Czechia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Vrb%C4%9Btice_ammunition_... Bulgaria: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/01/arms-dealer-10... Poland: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/12/poland-to-clos... And UK. Plus a million cyberattacks against all sorts of infrastructure.

So then how come hasn't Article 5 been activated yet? Does that mean that said Article 5 is not even worth the piece of paper it has been written on?

There's no need to respond with force. Russia will lose in the long-term due to sanctions as long as Republicans don't cock everything up even more by making deals with Russians and slowing down trade in the global west. Russians are wasting money and gear in Ukraine and becoming weaker. It's just a matter of time before China starts making claims on land they lost to the Soviets. Russians will lose this war the same way they lost the cold war; by cutting themselves off from the maritime economy.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by codr7 » Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 5:07 PM UTC

behringer wrote: post #289

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #254

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Australia. We looked into anything that could be done to minimise the chances of such a thing happening to innocent parties, but the only option was to make a complaint about an individual officer. There's no (easy, obvious) way to question the system they use to determine "validity" of raids or due diligence prior to requesting a warrant, or evidence required to justify a warrant. The whole thing just felt to me lik…

It's good for children in the US to learn early that they can't trust the police.

Same goes for almost any other country I've been to. But the US does seem to be one of the worst places from what I see online.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by SJC_Hacker » Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 5:08 PM UTC

v5v3 wrote: post #54

b112 wrote: post #45

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With more than 1.2M dead or out of service injured, Russia is spent. It's why North Korean troops had to be deployed. All they can effectivley do, until they grow new soldiers, is defense. Sure they can bomb from afar. But even of they take the Ukraine now, they have no force to hold it with.

They were never going to achieve a full takeover of Ukraine though. Large mass size and the people wouldn't accept them.

I don't think they anticipated a Nazi/Imperial Japan style completely takeover

I believe their plan was to capture Kyiv and install puppet government, and have the military collapse into factions and unable to coordinate effectively as a conventional force. Paramilitary groups would break out (such as the Azov units, etc.) Ukraine would then degrade into civil war, especially along an east-west line.

But at least, it would be dysfunctional and unable to join EU or NATO. And they would be able to control enough to extract some value out of the country (e.g. natural resources). But they never really care about establishing peace and prosperity there.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by baby » Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 5:11 PM UTC

What's interesting is that this whole challenge is making Russia stronger. Russia has increased its military industry and its now running full steam. Every attack is giving them an opportunity to harden. All of that is meaningless if it makes Russia stronger and more resilient to embargos and cyber/physical attacks in the long run.

For all of this to have meaning it has to have a fall of USSR kind of impact at some point, otherwise we just strengthened one of the world's most dangerous state.