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Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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This company really is turning into the new IBM or something. No innovation whatsoever and more and more money squeezing the users. I'm sad they make the only decent laptop out there, for everything else I'm glad to be out their crap wallet garden.

You could say this about all the large tech companies now. They're all just boring Megacorps.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Uber violates this. At least as of a few years ago, there was no way to get notifications about driver arrival without also getting special offer and Uber Eats spam notifications periodically. Not only was there no opt-in consent, there was no way to turn them off without disabling the status updates. It's particularly bad when apps with legitimate time-sensitive functionality do this. I denied the app the ability to…

Account > Settings > Communication > Marketing Preferences. Uncheck them all. A bit hidden, but it does work.

I discovered this a few months ago - it's worth spending the 60 seconds to update these settings to get rid of Uber's terrible promotion notifications!

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> That Apple can be trusted in ways that other “big tech” companies cannot. That's funny. Why would Apple be "different"?

Because Apple makes its money by selling you hardware and services, not by selling advertising. Companies ultimately serve whoever they make their money from; and none of the other big tech players have a comprehensive business model where the end user is the customer instead of the product. And because it has positioned itself as the single most prominent privacy-conscious champion in big tech through repeated actio…

> Because Apple makes its money by selling you hardware and services, not by selling advertising.

and by selling ads, seriously, just open their app store.

> And because it has positioned itself

And they can continue that while simultaneously doing the opposite. There is no law against inconsistent behavior

> Do you think it'd make headlines if Google showed its users an ad? Or Microsoft? Or Meta?

Yes, of course, that's easy to find via a 5 sec google search

https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/12/24128640/microsoft-window...

https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/5/23712440/gmail-ads-more-an...

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Google too. I wish the fact that every company enshittifies in the end would wake us all up to the fact that rampant unregulated capitalism just doesn't work before it's too late to make any changes at all.

Apple wouldn't exist without "rampant unregulated capitalism".

Sure they would, they just wouldn't be as profitable.

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I have never said and rarely thought this before, but I really hope the person who came up with / approved this idea got fired for it. It’s rare that you see something so unbelievably stupid and destructive of the shared pool of trust, which Apple spent 30 years building, only for one self-interested PM to blow a chunk of it up for no gain. If the person who came up with this reads this site, I hope they see this com…

The thing is, while we care about it here at HN, most people don't really care. Apple is a cult among consumers and they aren't going to switch even if they started putting in way more ads. They know, similar to Windows, that they have an ecosystem lock in and people aren't going to escape it.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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I have never said and rarely thought this before, but I really hope the person who came up with / approved this idea got fired for it. It’s rare that you see something so unbelievably stupid and destructive of the shared pool of trust, which Apple spent 30 years building, only for one self-interested PM to blow a chunk of it up for no gain. If the person who came up with this reads this site, I hope they see this com…

I think the person who came up with this shouldn't be fired, the person who _approved_ it should be reprimanded. There's some intersection point between who "owns" the wallet and who is coming up with ways to generate marketing revenue. Whoever lives at that intersection point is the real shot caller here aren't they? Imo you don't fire people for generating bad ideas, that just creates a culture of not thinking outs…

Why not fire them both?

> Imo you don't fire people for generating bad ideas,

If an idea is that bad, at the very least they should be transfered into a role that doesn't involve coming up with good ideas, since obviously that is outside of their skill set. And what's the argument for not firing the chain of people who approved it? Their job was to stop bad ideas and they catastrophically failed.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Is this really that different than pushing an immutable U2 album into your itunes account years ago? "liking Apple" is a weird position; they're several generations away from when you could identify the company with actual people, and anthropomorphizing the company at this point seems wild.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Apple employee pre, during and post Steve. I was in a lot of meetings with VPs whose tasteless suggestions were shut down immediately with the usual Steve critiques attached. My recollection is that Eddy Cue got the most critiques, Phil Schiller the least and the rest were in between. Eddy would push back and still get shut down. When Steve left the last time, it was knives out between these guys with Scott Forstall…

> Phil Schiller

Rings a bell.

>Tim Cook asserted his control over the company, putting his own personnel in place, and now his authority is absolute. Even those few others who remain from the Jobs era, such as “Apple Fellow” Phil Schiller, are overridden by Cook

https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/2025/5/6.html by way of https://mjtsai.com/blog/2025/05/23/apple-turnaround/

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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The problem isn't sending an Ad to Wallet. It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads, talk about privacy as fundamental human rights, and then have targeted Ads, in a place / software / services where no body expected it to appear. And not everybody has the Ad, so by HN / Reddit / Internet definition that Ad is targeted. The thing I used to like about Apple, even if you disagree with some of its decis…

Ads and privacy are not fundamentally opposed. The reason that they so often seem so is because of the massive surveillance enabling targeted ads. Ads served based on the context they appear in (eg, ads for financial services on the WSJ, or ads for diapers on a baby monitor app) do not require any surveillance or knowledge of the person they're going to be seen by in order to function. From what I can tell, this ad w…

"Ads and privacy are not fundamentally opposed"

I agree with this.

There was a (brief) period when website advertisements were simple, first party hosted image files. IIRC, the first text ads on metafilter (2001 ?) were just strings in the same HTML file.

You may like or dislike these things but they were not a privacy concern.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Apple is absolutely fine with tracking and privacy invasion, as long as they're the ones doing it.

Which has nothing to do with the point, which is that that’s what they rail against, not ads. If they are hypocrites about it is an orthogonal matter.

It's genuinely getting depressing watching HN try to justify Tim Cook's actions ad-hoc. You can't name a single ideal Apple values more than money.

  Soon (2028?) "Yes, we know Apple advertises to us and backdoors their services for the government. But *at least* my personal data isn't being sold, without Apple's privacy promise I would be helpless."
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