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Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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That explains nothing.

Neither does the precursor to the Big Bang. It's the same exact thing.

The trouble is we can strive to understand the physical circumstances we find ourselves in. Once we decide that the circumstances simply 'just are' because He Who Is, we no longer have an objective basis for discovering why things are as they are. There's no need, no purpose.

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My theory: There's no such thing as before and after “it”. It is it.

Block Universe. The more you think about it, the more probable it seems. Why should a universe pass time like a movie, if all moments could exist simultaneously? If there is no time, and it’s just a simulation formed in our brain, there doesn’t have to be a beginning nor end.

However, a complete lack of time doesn't fit with our observations and we can measure relativistic effects where time gets distorted (e.g. fast moving particles that last much longer than you'd expect due to relativity)

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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You’re stating this as if determinism has been proven beyond a doubt which is not the case.

I think it's unclear what kind of determinism you are presuming. Determinism in the universe? Determinism in consciousness? Certainly a deterministic machine can exist in a non-deterministic universe. However I didn't just assume a lack of free will. I also assumed a lack of identity . Do you realize that who you are is socially defined? When you breathe in, the air in the room around you becomes part of you. When yo…

Isn't identity exactly defined as what one perceives as part of oneself? Food becomes me as soon as I dis-member it to make it to be part of myself. Other food becomes you. This doesn't make food not within my sphere of perception a part of me; before digestion, it stays separate, like a virus doesn't become part of me -- the immune system acts a biological discriminator between what is part of me, and what is not. You are not me, and I am not you; we are physically attached to different matter. I understand people play mind games based on varying definitions of identity, but ultimately you will find that you have control over certain things comprised of physical matter, which then together with your mind makes up "you", and you're not in control of other things, which make them "not you". That's how I would say it is defined, after all. I am not in the entire food chain, because my perception and control simply doesn't reach that far. If I could control objects with my mind, it would be reasonable to say that they are a part of "my body", which makes them a part of me. If you use these language constructs differently, we lose the ability to communicate over them?

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Oh I have so many questions on this topic. I've often wondered about this. I don't have any direct physics training, but it's something that felt really plausible after I learned that the mass of a black hole is linearly proportional to its swarzschild radius. As the size of the black hole goes up, its overall density must decrease. Combined with the other observation that our universe has uniform density at large sc…

> As the size of the black hole goes up, its overall density must decrease. The center of a black hole is infinitely dense. That's why it even exists. The event horizon is not the black hole. > and the fixed density of our observed universe Our universe is expanding. It's density is not fixed. You really want to be thinking about this in terms of entropy and not matter.

Yeah I was referencing the event horizon as the most meaningful measure of size.

And whether the density is fixed over time or not doesn't affect the question. Let's take the universe at its current average mass/energy density - whatever the "true" measure of that is.

To the best of our understanding, at large scales the density is uniform. So if we consider a suitably large spherical volume of space within our (presumably infinite) universe.. that volume will have an average mass/energy content greater than the threshold amount for a black hole of that apparent volume (again, using the external event horizon frame).

So that suggested to me that either we live in a finite universe, or we must be on the inside of an event horizon. It seems like an unavoidable conclusion.

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If only we had an even bigger universe, we would have more time... is that how it works?

Like this? https://hacker-recommended-books.vercel.app/category/5/past-...

That’s a very cool app, but I think it is missing many, many references to books in HN comments? It only has like 15 total sci-fi books. I don’t see any of my comments mentioning some sci-fi books.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Oh I have so many questions on this topic. I've often wondered about this. I don't have any direct physics training, but it's something that felt really plausible after I learned that the mass of a black hole is linearly proportional to its swarzschild radius. As the size of the black hole goes up, its overall density must decrease. Combined with the other observation that our universe has uniform density at large sc…

> Combined with the other observation that our universe has uniform density at large scales s/has/had at the time of recombination It is largely an assumption of LCDM that we can treat the universe as practically homogeneous throughout its entire evolution but potentially not a very well-founded at that [0, 1]. > I always felt uncomfortable with that characterization. It seems more reasonable to me to think of dark e…

Interesting reading - this is the first thorough response I've gotten to some of these question. Will check out the reading material.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Interesting read, but even if we assume the author is correct, and the cosmos formed as a black hole in a larger universe, the question remains, how did this larger universe formed, then? Might just be impossible to know.

I feel like quantum physics is gently pointing us towards the idea "everything you can imagine is real at once". As in, all possible universes and physics systems and whatnot do exist in some sense of this word, and we happen to inhabit one. Just like Earth is a totally unremarkable planet in a totally unremarkable solar system in a totally unremarkable galaxy, except we popped up here so for a long time we thought there's something deeply special about Earth.

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Suggested hard sci-fi light reading: "Cosm" by Gregory Benford, 1999. A universe the size of a bowling ball created in a laboratory. The scientist responsible for it, keeping it safe and on the run from gvt spooks. They want to protect it for as long as it lasts, and since its time is as relative as its size, they won't have long to wait.

Microcosmic God - Theodore Sturgeon (1941)

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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> The center of a black hole is infinitely dense. That's why it even exists. The event horizon is not the black hole. Arguing semantics is rather boring when it's obvious you understood the point he was trying to make. > Our universe is expanding. It's density is not fixed. None of that precludes uniform density at large scales.

I think a point they are trying to make is that the border of a black hole is only to us outside observers, if you yourself fell into one you wouldn't notice anything specific when you crossed the boundary. The popular example of hawking radiation references a border and pairs of particles, however its actually only to help people understand the idea of what is going on

> if you yourself fell into one you wouldn't notice anything specific when you crossed the boundary.

Wouldn't you notice that fairly suddenly everything's getting brighter because all the light/radiation is sucked back in?

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