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Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety

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Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety

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Miscarriages are not spontaneous abortions to those in the medical field. Sorry if the terms are confusing though.

You are being snarky and disingenuous. People have been arrested for miscarrying in the US.

I’m not, but it’s obviously an issue with text as the reader abstracts a convolution function of their current mental state onto the text they read. (There are great key and peele skits about this!). Outliers are interesting but tricky to act on.

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Miscarriages are spontaneous abortions. The anti-abortion laws are being used against women who have miscarriages.

Miscarriages are not spontaneous abortions to those in the medical field. Sorry if the terms are confusing though.

I should clarify; some miscarriages are spontaneous abortions when the body decides the fetus is not viable.

Women are being convicted of murder / abortion related charges when no fetal cause of death is established.

You are, as another pointed out, being disingenuous about a very real problem.

Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety

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A relevant f-droid search:

* https://search.f-droid.org/?q=Menstrual

All of the apps that showed up in the search store data locally. Why would anyone not want to store this sort of data locally? What is the advantage of sending the data off to a server somewhere?

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What I mean by valid is that, without knowing all the information, skepticism is a good thing. Too many companies take a mile when you give an inch and take advantage of ambiguity. The SDK simply doesn’t exist as a product any more and so doesn’t make sense to keep on our website as an offering. So I’m glad you brought that to my attention. If there are any specifics about the privacy of Reflect you’d like me to eluc…

> Too many companies take a mile when you give an inch and take advantage of ambiguity. [paragraph break] The SDK simply doesn’t exist as a product any more and so doesn’t make sense to keep on our website as an offering. Would you say that you had an epiphany about respecting privacy, after earlier dabbling in intimate surveillance capitalism, and are now firmly committed to privacy? If so, have you found a way to l…

Good question. I'm realizing I did not really communicate this well.

The full story is that we went to a conference for biohacking, spreading the word about Reflect, and businesses wanted to white label the product so that they could have the same capabilities but for their own niches.

Those businesses wanted to be able to do things like create surveys using our form building library and have users collect their own data for things like N=1 experiments with their products.

What those businesses wanted to use that functionality for was up to them and their privacy policies, but the terms we talked about were something similar to "you can't use our SDK without users explicitly opting into any data collection". We never ended up actually licensing the SDK or making any deals with any companies.

Hope that makes things a little clearer. As far as Reflect the app, that was started from the beginning with privacy in mind and local-first. I have a long blog post I've been sitting on explaining the whole story, which I will publish soon hopefully, but I've been revolted by surveillance capitalism for a long time and originally made Reflect to help my partner get off of using google forms for tracking mood.

You have a good point regarding the privacy policy. We haven't found a way to lock in that commitment, and that's obviously not ideal from a user's perspective. People do place trust in Reflect not to pull the rug out from under them.

Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety

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A relevant f-droid search: * https://search.f-droid.org/?q=Menstrual All of the apps that showed up in the search store data locally. Why would anyone not want to store this sort of data locally? What is the advantage of sending the data off to a server somewhere?

Because your typical android user is not even aware of it and if they are they don't know or care enough to look for an alternative.

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Very basic example nobody argues with. Did you know your local news station gets some stories to present as their own and they are paid to present them? You may, but many might find that to be a shocking revelation. I was maintaining cognitive accessibility in that example.

I don't think the news thing would surprise anyone either. I think there's a weirdly patronizing approach that blames so much on advertising, and if by chance if folks got their way they'd be astonished to find that people make bad choices all on their own, and they know they do ...

I think it makes sense when people are quite literally inundated by ads. If you see a constant stream of advertisements, which thoughts are genuinely your own? What preferences would one have that haven’t been massaged in a direction by ads?

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post #310

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The common cases I looked into turned out to be misreported on. Unfortunately all the mainstream media lie with a smile (as we saw with “Biden is so smart!” coverage from the NYT etc. over the last year), so it’s getting hard to know what’s happening…

Uhm ... so if you read right wing conservative media, all mainstream media lie. Yeah, totally. What we see in mainstream media is constant whitewashing and sane washing of Trump. Constant excuses for conservatives and for republicans. But it is never enough for you, they should also lie about harm your policies are causes. So, yes, doctors are afraid to perform life saving procedures and conservatives applaud it.

I don’t read any right wing conservative media, it’s too absurd. It’s also absurd the left wing media ignored the biggest story of the century while the average American was wondering why…

Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety

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While unlikely, I personally believe that advertising revenue should be taxed at 50%. This would do a lot to align industry incentives. Advertising revenue would be looked at less as a free cash stream that can be bolted on everywhere. In this case, maybe the app could be monetized directly instead of whatever the fuck is happening now.

Revenue isn't taxed. Profit is.

I suppose you could tax a proportion of your profit at a higher rate, according to the proportion of your revenue that came from advertising.

But advertising isn't a "free cash stream that can be bolted on everywhere". It's part of a business model that either is sustainable or isn't.

If you taxed it that much higher, a lot of businesses would simply go out of business, because people aren't willing to pay a subscription instead. Especially businesses that survive on a lot of users who use something only occasionally. Is that really what you want? Think carefully about how much journalism would be even further eroded...

Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety

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> The real question is what does the manager do with the data. Direct-mail (or these days, in-app with notifications) coupons. If you know you'll pay full price at CVS, but it's 30% off at Rite-Aid, you'll go to Rite-Aid and buy other stuff as long as you're making the trip. I mean, maybe there really are enough women buying last-minute to be able to predict, at least for those women -- and identify who those women a…

So... the risk to women's safety is that they might end up paying less for hygiene products?

No, the risk to women's safety is that someone the woman doesn't want to know, could find out that they're pregnant. (Or using birth control or whatever)

Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety

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If anyone is interested in a privacy focused tracking app that stores all your data locally, I make an app called Reflect [0] whose sole purpose is this, plus on-device analysis. We’re working on a menstrual tracking feature right now and it’s pretty far along. We’ve just released an anomaly detection feature as well. [0] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/reflect-track-anything/id64638...

What homomorphic encryption technology have you looked into using? this is a good use case for that technology.

I agree it could make sense one day but, as I mentioned in another thread, we don't have any servers and so we don't collect or host any user data (encrypted or not). In fact, I really don't want to; it's overhead and costly, and might involve compliance with HIPAA or GDPR, and I just would rather the user be in charge of their own data.

Having FHE for local data would be very interesting though.

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