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Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by mkopinsky »

mandevil wrote: post #174

A scoutmaster of mine had a theory. Everyone has their own different version of what "9:30" means- to some it's 9:25, to others 9:45. But there is only one 9:32. So he would use weird times like that, we're meeting at 6:07 today.

Initially I was sure you were talking about my Scoutmaster. (The details diverged in the end.) The expected arrival time for camping trips was always something like 9:59am - that way people would hopefully show up at 9-something or maybe just a few minutes late like 10:10. If the expected arrival time was 10:00, people would interpret it as 10-something and show up at 10:45.

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Post by PlunderBunny »

QuarterReptile wrote: post #297
shakna wrote: post #273

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So you're happy to punish 10% of students, for no fault of their own. You'll trade a moment's distraction, for a paid-for day's learning. That, is a lack of empathy. Especially as for about the last hundred years universities have had a process that allows for the necessary flexibility. To take this to the extreme... Should we simply fire everyone who is late to work, without reason? If someone else causes a car acci…

Come now, we can be more extreme than that! Late for class, your city gets nuked. Forget an assignment, bioweapon deployed. Bomb an exam, and you're on the first plane to the front lines in Ukraine.

See also: we can reduce the number of police and compensate by increasing the penalties for crime (late 20th century edition).

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Post by latentsea »

djoldman wrote: post #300
immibis wrote: post #252

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At my university in New Zealand they didn't take attendance for lectures. You attended the lectures so you could learn stuff so you could pass the exams. It's surprising that isn't considered normal. (There's some nuance to that statement as science courses tende to have labs - I don't remember why first-year physics was a requirement for software engineering, but it was - mathematics courses tended to have weekly as…

That's how it was for me in college in the USA. As an aside, it's a little absurd that people wouldn't go to class given how much money they're paying. Private colleges are around $39k USD per year. That's a lot of dough per class-hour.

For NZ citizens to go to university it's only around $5k NZD per year and most degrees are only three years, except for a few which are four.

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Post by Leherenn »

djoldman wrote: post #300
immibis wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At my university in New Zealand they didn't take attendance for lectures. You attended the lectures so you could learn stuff so you could pass the exams. It's surprising that isn't considered normal. (There's some nuance to that statement as science courses tende to have labs - I don't remember why first-year physics was a requirement for software engineering, but it was - mathematics courses tended to have weekly as…

That's how it was for me in college in the USA. As an aside, it's a little absurd that people wouldn't go to class given how much money they're paying. Private colleges are around $39k USD per year. That's a lot of dough per class-hour.

That's the thing though, in many places Europe people usually aren't paying much for university, and higher education is funded by the state. So the state has a keen financial interest on people not failing/doing over because they can't be bothered to go to lectures, a lot more than the students themselves.

The reality in my experience is that, whilst students are on paper adults (mostly) and responsible for their own successes and failures, a significant number benefits from being forced to attend. That's unfortunate for the ones that could "safely" skip the lectures and have to go, but on average it leads to better overall outcomes. So in that regard the attendance policies are sensible.

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Post by PlunderBunny »

Stratoscope wrote: post #194
mandevil wrote: post #174

A scoutmaster of mine had a theory. Everyone has their own different version of what "9:30" means- to some it's 9:25, to others 9:45. But there is only one 9:32. So he would use weird times like that, we're meeting at 6:07 today.

Saratoga, CA does something similar. The twisty part of Quito Road, between Bicknell Road and Pollard road, has a speed limit of 25 mph. But the sharper turns have advisory speed signs (the yellow diamond kind) with numbers like 17, 19, 21, and 22 mph to catch drivers' attention and get them to slow down on these turns.

Not really the same thing, but in New Zealand, all speed limits are multiples of 10 (km/h), and all recommended safe speeds (e.g. for a sharp corner) end in ‘5’.

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Post by mfru »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #307
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #230

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This is completely out of line. Calm down before commenting. Strong disagreement is fine but this style of communication repels discussion.

And here is the notable lack of empathy HN displays on a daily basis.

You don't need to tone police people to get their point. Just read what they are saying instead of rejecting their opinion because you are uncomfortable when someone displays a strong emotion.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by nailer »

The author doesn’t seem to understand what malicious compliance is.

The people booking the available meeting room are complying with the policy.

The people not getting out are not complying but not doing so maliciously. They’re not attempting to subvert the policy. They’re just not getting out of the meeting room when they need to.

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Post by portaouflop »

djoldman wrote: post #300
immibis wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At my university in New Zealand they didn't take attendance for lectures. You attended the lectures so you could learn stuff so you could pass the exams. It's surprising that isn't considered normal. (There's some nuance to that statement as science courses tende to have labs - I don't remember why first-year physics was a requirement for software engineering, but it was - mathematics courses tended to have weekly as…

That's how it was for me in college in the USA. As an aside, it's a little absurd that people wouldn't go to class given how much money they're paying. Private colleges are around $39k USD per year. That's a lot of dough per class-hour.

I only paid 50 bucks per month to study at university — there were many classes I never visited only wrote the exams

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Post by shakna »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #282
shakna wrote: post #260

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Cum can be translated as 'with', but due to cultural use, it can also be translated as 'in addition'. Some younger Latin recipes use 'cum sal' as a one-liner at the end, to tell the chef to season to their taste, for example.

> Some younger Latin recipes use 'cum sal' as a one-liner at the end I have some questions: 1. What cultural use? Are you saying that German culture involves writing recipes in recreational Latin? 2. Why is sal in the nominative case? That can't possibly work. 3. Shouldn't there be a verb? For example, Apicius always ends recipes with a direction like "serve" / "bring in" / "enjoy". (Technically, those verbs are all…

By cultural use, I meant a phrase whose direct translation makes no sense. An idiom ("cultural phrase").

Nominative case - Its how its used. Can't say I've studied the evolution of that particular idiom, but breaking expected rules is not unusual.

There might have been a verb, once. But as with all slang, what gets dropped tends to confuse the foreigner, but be understood to the local.

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Post by boxed »

hammock wrote: post #272
Stratoscope wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saratoga, CA does something similar. The twisty part of Quito Road, between Bicknell Road and Pollard road, has a speed limit of 25 mph. But the sharper turns have advisory speed signs (the yellow diamond kind) with numbers like 17, 19, 21, and 22 mph to catch drivers' attention and get them to slow down on these turns.

Then there’s an aggressive driver who sees that and realizes it hammers home the point that the yellow speed signs (vs the white ones) are not enforceable. And an enforceable sign could never be a weird number because speedos don’t have ticks but every 5mph.

The first time I drove in the US I came up to a turn with the yellow speed sign. I was going faster and I could feel my car strain to not go off the road. This is to this day the second scariest thing I've experienced in a car.

After that I 100% followed the yellow signs.

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