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Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by ringeryless »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #155
maeln wrote: post #143

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Ah yes, the 'slop, melodramatic vaudeville, or tear-jerking gut-punches' of Nuri Bilge Ceylan, Wong Ching-Po, Stephen Chow, John Woo, Emin Alper, Win Wenders, Pedro Almodóvar, Sylvain Chomet, Jean-Pierre Jeunet, Jacques Demy, Lee Chang-dong, Shunji Iwai, Wai Keung Lau, Wong Kar-wai, Hirokazu Koreeda, Park Chan-wook, Tran Anh Hung, Nadine Labaki, Santiago Mitre, ... Yes, the US is a wealthy country, with a big populat…

Predictably, commenters read the word "most" as "every". Most non-American movies are melodramatic slop, vaudeville slapstick or heart-wrenching soul-destroyers. Oh really? Well I found one in China that isn't. And here's one from 1970s France that isn't.

predictably, summing up the entire worlds cinema as inferior to one nations cinema provokes disagreement.

you can simply say that you were wrong to make such a sweeping judgement and have no actual notion of the entire worlds cinematic output, nor speak anything besides english to properly understand anyone elses films, but yey, feel free to dig in your heels and be wronger.

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Post by jaimebuelta »

motorest wrote: post #273
peder wrote: post #177

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This tariff isn't an attack on Hollywood. This helps actors and staff in the Hollywood area.

> This tariff isn't an attack on Hollywood. This helps actors and staff in the Hollywood area. Does it, though? I mean, the Trump administration is only making it more expensive for theaters to screen non-US movies. Are you going to even bother going to a cinema if the movie you wanted to see isn't made available? And how dominant are non-US productions in US cinemas? It sounds like more tarrif bullshit,where the onl…

Most top movies last year [1] were shot outside of the US. Excluding animation movies, of course. I understand that the idea is “medium/long term” to move production to Hollywood area, but the short term impact can be massive.

[1] “Deadpool and Wolverine”, “Wicked” and “Beetlejuice Beetlejuice” in London, “Dune part 2” in Budapest and Italy, “Godzilla x Kong” in Australia. Only “Twisters” was filmed in the US.

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Post by justinrubek »

eqvinox wrote: post #287
Hamuko wrote: post #260

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Because it's a number used for emergency services in many parts of the world, and not for ordering pizza, plane strikes or whatever.

Relatively speaking, it actually isn't that popular - check the map on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_... That's what, 10% of world population? 112 has India going for it…

10% sounds incredibly significant. That's nearly a billion people.

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Post by JeremyNT »

jaimebuelta wrote: post #94

Not sure I follow. Biggest real action movie last year was “Deadpool & Wolverine”, a Disney movie which was shot in UK and made a bit over 50% of its revenue overseas[1]. Its main stars were Canadian and Australian. Does this mean that you’ll have to pay double to go watch it to cinemas in the US? Will that make Disney to focus on the international market? [1] https://the-numbers.com/movie/Deadpool-and-Wolverine-(202…

This guy is obviously senile, so it's pointless to even try to analyse this.

What did he mean when he said this? Who knows - he probably doesn't even remember himself.

What will the resulting policy, if any, actually be? His advisors were probably hearing it for the first time just like the rest of us.

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Post by kjksf »

dom96 wrote: post #197
DeusExMachina wrote: post #156

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Since it's about movies produced overseas, I don't think the nationality of the actors or the overseas revenue counts. But it probaby counts that it was shot in the UK. The reason why Disney does that is because they get tax breaks from the UK government, which I think it's what Trump is referring to.

So let me get this straight... he's not happy with the UK because of VAT (value added tax) and he's also not happy with the UK because of tax breaks? Amazing.

Both are harming US jobs.

VAT is bad for US because a car made in US is 22% more expensive when sold in UK than a car made in UK sold in US. VAT makes it harder for US car company to sell in UK. It reduces number of US jobs making cars.

UK giving tax breaks to US companies also reduces number of US jobs because a catering business in Los Angeles loses a job to a catering business in London. So does a carpenter, an extra etc.

It's all simple to understand, consistent and frankly very leftist.

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Post by ecocentrik »

dagw wrote: post #202
KingOfCoders wrote: post #160

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Growing up in the 70s and 80s in Germany, I've been brainwashed by US movies and sitcoms, 90% of the things I've watched was from the US - Magnum P.I, Simon & Simon, The Fall Guy, Kojak, A-Team, Golden Girls, Mary Taylor Moore, Lou Grant, MacGyver, Knight Rider, Night Court, Family Ties, Miami Vice, The Wonder Years, Facts of Life, Love Boat, and on and on and on. I know the US better than many parts of Germany.

I know the US better than many parts of Germany I read an article years ago from a lawyer (might have been a judge) complaining that, thanks to US TV and movies, people in Sweden know more about how the US justice system works than the Swedish system. Far too many people just fall back on their US TV knowledge of how they think courts work and that they keep having to explain to the people that, no that's not how thi…

To be fair, Americans have the same problem. The US justice system does not perfectly mirror the Hollywood justice system and jurors are constantly reminded of this when they're called to serve on US juries.

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Post by [deleted] »

echelon wrote: post #147
habosa wrote: post #77

The MAGA people attacking Hollywood is such a big mistake. Yes I know the average celebrity doesn’t share their views, but that doesn’t change the fact that Hollywood projects American culture around the world in a way that the government could never do itself. Movies and music made here are so often cited as the reason why young people around the world idealize America and want to emulate us (buy our clothes, speak…

I was actually shocked by this tariff. It's a pro-union, pro-labor, classic progressive move. If you haven't been following what's happening with film production, basically production has moved from LA, Atlanta, New York, etc. to cheap countries in Eastern Europe and Asia. A vast majority of IATSE film crew productions have now vacated the US. It's decimated the local film crew workforce and forced many to leave the…

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Post by unsupp0rted »

ringeryless wrote: post #311
unsupp0rted wrote: post #155

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Predictably, commenters read the word "most" as "every". Most non-American movies are melodramatic slop, vaudeville slapstick or heart-wrenching soul-destroyers. Oh really? Well I found one in China that isn't. And here's one from 1970s France that isn't.

predictably, summing up the entire worlds cinema as inferior to one nations cinema provokes disagreement. you can simply say that you were wrong to make such a sweeping judgement and have no actual notion of the entire worlds cinematic output, nor speak anything besides english to properly understand anyone elses films, but yey, feel free to dig in your heels and be wronger.

Or... I might speak multiple languages and have lived in multiple countries. Enough to see not only the movies that break through into Oscar contention, but also whatever random movie is playing in cinemas for 2 weeks over the rainy season, and will never be heard of again.

There's a universe in which one nation is a cinematic powerhouse that dwarfs not just the average quantity but also the average quality of the cinematic output of any other nation.

My argument is this is the case. Less so every year, since Hollywood is broken now, but still.

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

qeternity wrote: post #261
echelon wrote: post #74

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That's what this is about. Work for IATSE crew union members has declined precipitously. During the pandemic, there was so much demand for content that the studios spent a lot of money teaching foreign crews how to produce films. They sent a lot of staff to Eastern Europe and Asia to train local crews. Serbia, etc., where the crews are making well below union wages and can work long hours without regulation. Since 20…

> where the crews are making well below union wages and can work long hours without regulation. This is what is so ridiculous about unions in 2025: there are people in dozens of other tier 2 countries that will work harder than you for less pay. The solution is not to try to artificially inflate wages.

I'm much more anti-union than the average joe, but Hollywood is one example where it kind of makes sense, disregarding the international competition angle for a sec: it is a highly specialised kind of work, sometimes dangerous, with a very limited number of employers that are operating in a cartel-like environment that is known to be financially (and sometimes also sexually and ethnically) ruthless and opportunistic. The negotiating power is very uneven.

Considering that even in a big and highly competitive environment such as Silicon Valley they managed to establish illegal hiring cartels between the big companies (Apple etc), I'd be sceptical to dish out free market arguments.

Hollywood is not loosing relevance due to inflated wages, they stopped making movies people want to see. The reason for that is quite obvious, but a totally different discussion.

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Post by thrance »

bilbo0s wrote: post #129
thrance wrote: post #108

Is no one in this administration willing/able to deter the senile old man in charge from worsening the situation through new tariffs? I mean, don't get me wrong, this is music to my ears. Ever since I became an accelerationist last november, I cheer every time I see them pour oil on the fire.

Huh? If they disagreed with him, they would have already left the administration. So of course no one on Trumps team wants to stop trump.

Sure, but what about the oligarchs that put him in place, the Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Thiel... ?
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