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Someone at YouTube needs glasses

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Re: Someone at YouTube needs glasses

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Post by miningape »

ziddoap wrote: post #216
mystified5016 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft's adware and spyware was designed by one of the wealthiest companies in the world, so it's good for you. Google's ad business is the most sophisticated on the planet, so their spying and tracking and reporting your location to the government is good for you, you're just too dumb to understand. The USA, one of the most powerful and advanced countries in the world has suspended FDA testing of dairy. Since you…

> This is called "appeal to authority" and it's a pretty unintelligent logical fallacy. Do better next time. Maybe read a book or two? This is called ad hominem, and has no place here.

It's only ad hominem when the argument is an insult.

In this case there's an insult inside the argument, but importantly the insult is not the argument being made. Therefore it is not ad hominem.

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Post by crtasm »

Fiely wrote: post #125
voytec wrote: post #18

FYI: YouTube provides RSS feed for every channel. The URL is as follows: https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=CHANNEL_ID And without downloading with yt-dlp, videos can be watched from youtube-nocookie.com in full-window mode (no distractions) under: https://cinemaphile.com/watch?v=VIDEO_ID

In the past several months, I've moved to using an RSS Reader + Watch Later Playlist + DF Tube extension (you could use whatever to nuke parts of the UI you dislike). This has greatly improved how I use YouTube. This method allows me to be significantly more intentional with what I'm watching and how much time I'm spending. The only frustrating part is that YT shorts still come through RSS, but they are much easier t…

You can change the first 4 characters of the channel ID to UULF to only get "Videos" (no shorts)

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71192605/how-do-i-get-yo...

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Post by pizzathyme »

bluGill wrote: post #141
pizzathyme wrote: post #112

I always laugh at these shots from the hip criticizing YouTube and Google. As though Google doesn't have a entire team of data scientists and top tier engineers managing this experiment and driving it to optimal results. (Spoiler: they do) If you don't like the service, you can stop using it. And if you do, they have already factored that into their metrics guardrail, and it was the right decision.

I have a background in human machine interaction and I can tell you without even being there to tell you that a lot of changes didn't have proper UX design work done on them. Now they did have AB testing and likely are better at the metrics Google cares about: making money. However they are worse for users in ways that real user testing would catch. Again though, real user testing would likely cost them money.

This is certainly true. UX design and user feedback is only one piece of Google's decision making process

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Post by pizzathyme »

jaydenmilne wrote: post #135
pizzathyme wrote: post #112

I always laugh at these shots from the hip criticizing YouTube and Google. As though Google doesn't have a entire team of data scientists and top tier engineers managing this experiment and driving it to optimal results. (Spoiler: they do) If you don't like the service, you can stop using it. And if you do, they have already factored that into their metrics guardrail, and it was the right decision.

Yup! That's the point, I'm mourning what was and shaking my fist at a cloud. They're probably right by their metrics, they can probably rigorously prove this makes them more money. But I think its subjectively worse, it feels claustrophobic and prescriptive to me.

Don't disagree at all

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Post by afiori »

mrighele wrote: post #180
rozab wrote: post #46

For a long time the grid of videos on the homepage has been slightly misaligned. I imagine the different rows belong to different teams. This means you can't hover your mouse in the gaps between columns while you scroll to prevent videos autoplaying when moused over. I find the autoplay so annoying because it hides the thumbnail which was carefully designed to communicate why I should click on the video and replaces…

Why do you even need _different teams_ for the homepage ? The home page is made up of: a search bar with some extra buttons that link to different pages, a sidebar with some more buttons and a list of videos. What are the multiple teams for ? And even assuming it is necessary, there is really no single person responsible for the page so that issues like this can be seen and fixed ? And since we are talking about pet…

The homepage has many similarities to a landing page / marketing funnel.

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Post by wijwp »

mrighele wrote: post #180
rozab wrote: post #46

For a long time the grid of videos on the homepage has been slightly misaligned. I imagine the different rows belong to different teams. This means you can't hover your mouse in the gaps between columns while you scroll to prevent videos autoplaying when moused over. I find the autoplay so annoying because it hides the thumbnail which was carefully designed to communicate why I should click on the video and replaces…

Why do you even need _different teams_ for the homepage ? The home page is made up of: a search bar with some extra buttons that link to different pages, a sidebar with some more buttons and a list of videos. What are the multiple teams for ? And even assuming it is necessary, there is really no single person responsible for the page so that issues like this can be seen and fixed ? And since we are talking about pet…

> and a list of videos

Are we just going to gloss over this like the list of videos is random? haha

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Post by n2d4 »

rozab wrote: post #46

For a long time the grid of videos on the homepage has been slightly misaligned. I imagine the different rows belong to different teams. This means you can't hover your mouse in the gaps between columns while you scroll to prevent videos autoplaying when moused over. I find the autoplay so annoying because it hides the thumbnail which was carefully designed to communicate why I should click on the video and replaces…

Which ones are misaligned? At least the ones shown to me are perfectly aligned on my computer (both Safari and Chrome on a Mac).

Is it maybe caused by an adblocker? (I have YouTube premium, so no ads.)

Edit: Actually, the picture in the article shows a misalignment in the "Breaking News" section. It's odd, because the sections align perfectly for me on various screen sizes

Re: Someone at YouTube needs glasses

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Post by pizzathyme »

titzer wrote: post #305
pizzathyme wrote: post #112

I always laugh at these shots from the hip criticizing YouTube and Google. As though Google doesn't have a entire team of data scientists and top tier engineers managing this experiment and driving it to optimal results. (Spoiler: they do) If you don't like the service, you can stop using it. And if you do, they have already factored that into their metrics guardrail, and it was the right decision.

Yes, exactly, like the entire marketing team for buggies around 1910. They really figured out what people wanted.

If Youtube is going the way of buggies in 1910, then there is a lot of money to be made by shorting their stock right away. If that's your position I would go big

Clearly people don't want what OP shared. My main point was that they are aware of that, yet they are still optimizing for their company's performance

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Post by insin »

n2d4 wrote: post #317
rozab wrote: post #46

For a long time the grid of videos on the homepage has been slightly misaligned. I imagine the different rows belong to different teams. This means you can't hover your mouse in the gaps between columns while you scroll to prevent videos autoplaying when moused over. I find the autoplay so annoying because it hides the thumbnail which was carefully designed to communicate why I should click on the video and replaces…

Which ones are misaligned? At least the ones shown to me are perfectly aligned on my computer (both Safari and Chrome on a Mac). Is it maybe caused by an adblocker? (I have YouTube premium, so no ads.) Edit: Actually, the picture in the article shows a misalignment in the "Breaking News" section. It's odd, because the sections align perfectly for me on various screen sizes

It's probably an adblocker, I explained why they get misaligned ([is-in-first-column] attribute adding extra margin) if a video gets hidden and the rest flow to fill in its place here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43848061

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